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Trying To Get Smart About The 1922 "Weak D"

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 Posted 07/07/2010  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list
Naw I didn't mean that, Thad. It just looks like a different coin to me and so I thought you might have made a mistake. I thought I remember you said you had a few of these. Oh well...
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 Posted 07/07/2010  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maxie62209 to your friends list
I don't know enough to properly contribute to this thread but here are some pics! Enjoy

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Same coin from different angles. Pics taken outside in sunlight.

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 Posted 07/07/2010  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list
Maxie, welcome! I can see you mastered the fine art of posting pictures, here. I'm having trouble mak8ng out the date, a little, though, do you see that as a 1920-D? At any rate, I think it might have been acid-dipped, just judging from the look on that surface. Still, it's a keeper. Hey, we take them as we find them.
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 Posted 07/07/2010  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maxie62209 to your friends list
Thank you very much. The appearance is just the sunlight. In hand it is very normal looking and the date is plain: 1922D. I have trouble photographing dull coins without the proper light diffusers. Daylight works best but I suppose I should stay out of the sun. Here is one in the shade.

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 Posted 07/07/2010  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list
Beautiful! That's a great find!
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 Posted 07/21/2010  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list
I'm dragging this thread up again because I don't believe that I asked the right question earlier. So here's a better one: Is there any chance that other dates have been identified also as "weak D" or even "missing D" as opposed to no mintmark? Should I be examining my no-mint-mark wheaties under a glass? The logistics of examining just one date's output of alleged Philadelphia mint cents (like 1919) and finding identifying marks, like known die cracks and near and far letters, boggle my mind, but still ...
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 Posted 07/21/2010  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Savannah04 to your friends list
What what is up with the 1919 Philadelphia mints? I have 2 1919 no mints my grandma passed down to me.. still looking for the 22 no mint though :)
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 Posted 07/22/2010  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Is there any chance that other dates have been identified also as "weak D" or even "missing D" as opposed to no mintmark? Should I be examining my no-mint-mark wheaties under a glass?


No and no. The 1922 no D and weak D were a result of way over-used and over-polished dies.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list
Bad Thad said: "No and no. The 1922 no D and weak D were a result of way over-used and over-polished dies."

Right. I understand that. So - you're saying that NO other cent which appears to have come from the Philadelphia mint - no obvious mint mark on it - has ever been identified as actually a weak S or D, and identifiable from other marks - die cracks, whatever?

I have no idea why I'm obsessing over this. I don't "do" varieties and don't pay much attention to errors, and I'm not even looking for a 1922 "no D". I guess I'm just curious as to the possibilities here. Plus the time-capsule aspect of the 17 wheat cents that I dug out of my front yard after some 75 years or so in the ground intrigues me. After I was able to knock most of the dirt off, I could see that some of them were in better shape, wear-wise, than the cents I pulled out of circulation in the '50's to stick into my Whitman folder as opposed to the corroded LMC disasters that have been in the ground for 5-10 years, tops.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
pls, I'd like to rephrase your question...

Has there ever been a Lincoln Cent (besides 1922), minted in Denver or San Francisco, that was missing it's mint mark because of die grease, over polishing of die, or worn-out die?

Seems like the answer to that should be that it is certainly possible.

If yes, has one ever been identified as such because of other known die characteristics?

However, such a coin would probably have no additional value.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
I got to agree with others who believe these "error" coins should not be in the albums.
Same goes for the 3 legged buffalo and 41/2 d mercury. There are tons of these types of error's in other years,
and I don't collect errors. Especially the 1922 d lincoln series. A bunch of ugly coin for the most part IMO.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
The issue, PLS, is that since there was no Philadelphia cents in 1922, a cent without a mint mark "stood out" and was easy to look for.

Can it happen any other year? Of course! But with the millions minted each year, ask yourself how easy would it be to find when it is mixed in with the millions of Philadelphia cents also minted that year.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AndrewC to your friends list
I'm surprised nobody is looking for such things, though--I see threads here all the time where somebody looks at a Lincoln Cent under a microscope and sees a tiny line next to the leg on the statue in the Lincoln Memorial, and there's dancing fruit all around.

I don't get it, but I know there's a subset of collectors that is into that sort of thing.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list
Good. I see that some of you feel the same way that I do about errors and such. I understand the issue, of course, and the fact that, for example, a missing-mint-mark 1919 cent would only be distinguishable by another characteristic. I could care less if I have a 1922 no-mint-mark cent (my old Whitman album doesn't have a hole for it anyway, thank goodness) in my collection. I just feel that it's interesting, for historical purposes, that someone is able to track down the errors that caused the problem with some coins and might have found similar problems with other dates or even coins (like with all the varieties of Morgan dollars), listed them, posted dancing fruit, and become famous (but not enough so that I heard about it).

However, not even my old-guy OCD tendencies are strong enough to force me to go through bags of coins to look for these errors. Thank goodness I'm able to stop at merely filling holes in albums and grumbling about the open ones ...
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 Posted 07/22/2010  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Thank goodness I'm able to stop at merely filling holes in albums and grumbling about the open ones ...
Unfortunately for me, one of those empty holes is for the coin being discussed in this thread!
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