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1832 Bust Half Authentic?

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 Posted 07/27/2006  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list
I have seen those marks on recent issued coins Not sure if filled die or what the gun metal gray looks right w/ blotchy pattern of alighter color. I have seen that all over old silver .. The (S) in epuribus seems to match up with the s in states just to the right as it looks in The Red Book

I pulled out the Breen an dusted it off .. breen listes 5 different variations and or evaluations on this year . I thought it was a large letter .. I believe now its a Breen # 4698 normal Arrows short top to 5. Also on the small Date the 50 C. a little closer to the center of the eagle
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 Posted 07/28/2006  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
I just noticed the comment about the lines from the letters to the edge and the lack of well defined dentils at the edge. On some series these could be problems, but not here.

These coins were struck in an open sided screw press - not in a collared press. The dentils sometimes appear and sometimes do not usually as a function of how each die was made. Many of the Overton varieties are notable for having very weak rims.

The letters and the stars being "drawn to the rim" are also a standard part of many late state dies. When a die wears, the metal is eroded along the direction of metal flow. Die erosion lines that are RADIAL are rarely a problem - but non-radial lines or spiral erosion lines can point to a forgery. The appearance of these particular lines looks good to me.

I think I have determined that the coin is the Overton 115. The date is well centered with a blunt 1 and a low 3. Overton says "late die states show only light milling remaining."

The variety is a R-1 so standard prices apply - it is the Small Letter variety.

Regarding scoutjim's comment on the strength of LIBERTY - the Overton book uses the 1832 as the date for grading. They have pictures of 1832 coins from MS to G 4. Even on the G 4 every letter in LIBERTY is visible. Apparently on the revised portrait (starting 1832) LIBERTY never wore off. Based on Overton this coin grades VG 8.
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 Posted 07/28/2006  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
I believe this coin is an authentic O-101a. All of the diagnostics match up. This variety is a rarity 1, or common, occurrence.

Many of these coins show a lot of rim wear - even to the point where the milling is barely visible.
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 Posted 07/28/2006  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list
well I guess between susan and swamper You defiantely have a good answer
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 Posted 07/28/2006  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list
Yep, it's authentic.

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 Posted 07/28/2006  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
Thanks, all. I have so much to learn....
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 Posted 07/28/2006  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
texasmick - If you don't ask you never learn, but if you have any further questions or need a quick second opinion do not hesitate to ask. Someone will know for sure.

It is better to be a little bit paranoid than to own a bunch of expensive fakes.
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 Posted 07/29/2006  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
Hey, all:

Thanks again for your help. If anyone is interested in bidding on this coin, go nuts:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MEWA:IT&rd=1

Bob:
Thank you for your generous offer. Rest assured, I will take advantage of your knowledge and hopefully acquire a bit and pass on a bit myself.

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 Posted 07/31/2006  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
Never mind:

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Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:

Item Number - 260012720707
Item Title - 1832 Bust Half..Nice date

has been removed by ebay for breaching of one or more of our policies. Any offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null and void. You don't have to complete the transaction. For privacy reasons, I can't tell you exactly why the item was removed.
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 Posted 07/31/2006  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Does anyone have a clue about why the auction was removed? I looked at it and didn't notice anything objectionable.
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 Posted 08/01/2006  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fengk to your friends list
Could've been that the seller copied someone else's pics maybe? Or ebay got a bogus complaint.
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 Posted 08/01/2006  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
Whatever the problem was, it must be fixed because the seller relisted the same coin off of that auction. He couldn't have done that if ebay didn't reinstate the auction.

Someone probably complained about it and they pulled it for investigation. It's a shame they don't act that quickly on the many true fakes out there.
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 Posted 08/01/2006  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Because ebay gave this guy a hard time - I decided to bid to wholesale - if anyone on the forum cares to bid let me know and I will not bid against you.
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 Posted 08/01/2006  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Irishraider to your friends list
I would actually like for you to win it swamperbob. That way you can get a first hand view of it and tell if it is real or not. Would be interesting to know for sure.
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 Posted 08/01/2006  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Irishraider - it is real 100% sure on this one.

I just love the bust half dollars and I don't own an Overton 115. Good excuse to bid.
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