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Stolen Gold Bar That I Have Held

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 Posted 05/27/2011  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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There's a six-figure, easily converted to cash chunk of metal that weighs less than a gallon of milk, and it's too much trouble to lock up at night?

Anyone else thinking that this could have been an inside-assisted job?
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 Posted 05/27/2011  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Either an inside job, or a common visitor that determined the security was slack enough to give it a try. But yeah, I was say there is a real good chance of that, and usually the first place the detectives check out, disgruntled recently fired employ for example or something along those lines....
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 Posted 05/27/2011  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinut to your friends list
Thats just sad. I think if it was an inside job someone would have known and found a way to circumvent teh security.
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 Posted 05/27/2011  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add throwbackid to your friends list
Why would they let people handle something worth a half mill? That in itself seems like a huge liability.
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 Posted 05/27/2011  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
The half mill is a fictional number, anyway. When they started displaying it, $5000 would have been a more realistic value.

Sometimes, values increase and no one notices. When they built the Ahia Theatre in 1929, they furnished it with antiques. Fifty years later, they couldn't afford the insurance on them.

At OU in Athens, they realized a painting in the ladies room was worth $50,000.
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 Posted 05/28/2011  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list
I used to live in Key West and visited the museum regularly. What a shame. The Fishers are all nice people. I bought a four reale cob from Terry Fisher that is one of my most prized possessions. I was always kind of amazed that they were willing to make their treasure so accessible to anyone interested, and millions are enthralled with sunken treasure. I hope that they catch those jerks even though it was probably melted long ago. However There are unscrupulous collectors out there that would pay large money just to stash priceless artifacts away that will never see the light of day. A lot of priceless art is hidden away by rich guys who want to own historical artifacts that can never be shown to anyone.


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 Posted 05/28/2011  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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However There are unscrupulous collectors out there that would pay large money just to stash priceless artifacts away that will never see the light of day. A lot of priceless art is hidden away by rich guys who want to own historical artifacts that can never be shown to anyone.

Indeed there are... and near-priceless works of art and exotic gems seem especially vulnerable to this kind of thing. It always amazes me when people are so shallow that they can cheerfully enrich themselves at the expense of many others. If something is stolen from a museum, a great many people will then not have the experience of seeing it... just so some clown can hoard it all to himself. While that is bad enough, the real bad guys are those who steal a priceless work of art, just to melt it down or chop it up and convert it to something that is not easily recognized and therefore sell able.
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 Posted 05/28/2011  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
You know they say now they can prove with a 3 dimensional computer program, that the long lost stolen French Blue diamond is in fact the Hope diamond. Via the Hope diamond being cut from it, and it fits inside it perfect like a puzzle piece, in the computer program anyway....
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 Posted 05/28/2011  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
you can fit any object inside a larger object in a computer program.

For proof they'd require a mapping of the original diamond with technology that wasn't available at the time.

But Elvis lives :)
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 Posted 05/28/2011  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Good call Ugly, check this out, proves nothing but interesting....

They did not have any kind of real solid evidence, until a lead copy of the French blue turned up....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Diamond
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 Posted 05/28/2011  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Here is a link to a few great shots of the Hope diamond setting inside the French Blue, again not solid proof, but very interesting fit....

http://www.museumdiamonds.com/~scot...diamond.html
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 Posted 05/29/2011  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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It always amazes me when people are so shallow that they can cheerfully enrich themselves at the expense of many others.


John Jay Ford, Jr. assembled a $30 million coin collection primarily to keep them out of the hands of other collectors and researchers.
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 Posted 05/29/2011  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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John Jay Ford, Jr. assembled a $30 million coin collection primarily to keep them out of the hands of other collectors and researchers.

Well, that's just it... he PAID for his collection. He did not steal it from a museum. Or did he?
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 Posted 05/29/2011  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
He bought gold, illegally. In order to make it legitimate to hold, he made it into fake bars from the 1800s, which he developed fanciful tales about to justify "finding" them.

He then sold these fantasy bars for many times their gold content to some of the top collectors of the day, and used that money to buy coins.

Not to be confused with Sheldon, who got some of the finest early copper by trading his lower grade specimens for better ones, without the owners realizing it.
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 Posted 05/31/2011  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Sounds like creative skulduggery to me, Fred. I am sure that many of us would resort to similar activities if a heavy-handed government tried to steal our PMs or even make them illegal. Hopefully, it will not come to that.
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