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PCGS Grading Acurracy

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 Posted 09/14/2010  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bobo_Jenkins to your friends list
It's one thing for the grading company to accidentally put "Star" on their holder, but the seller too is claiming it's a star note which makes him look ignorant. The whole auction appears messed up.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
Actually the seller says this at the bottom of the page:


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1999 $100 SOLID serial # 55555555 STAR NOTE pcgs 64 PPQ... of course this cannot be accurate - its not a Star BUT the label says it is!
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 Posted 09/14/2010  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
In this case I don't so much blame the seller (other than for having an outrageously inflated price trying to take advantage of a grading mistake) I blame PCGS. Not only did they add Star to the label, but they gave it an FR number that doesn't exist. They are supposed to be professionals, and this is totally unacceptable.

We are supposed to be able to count on grading companies to set the standard for which we can go out and purchase currency without having to worry that we are being ripped off. PCGS dropped the ball BIG TIME on this one.

The seller... well I give him half credit. He has a graded note that says star, but knowing that it is not he shouldn't advertise it as so.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list
Friedberg #2176-E does exist. It's a $100 bill issued for Richmond, series 1999, signatures Withrow/Summers.

Not sure why they called it a star note though...
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 Posted 09/14/2010  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list

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Friedberg #2176-E does exist. It's a $100 bill issued for Richmond, series 1999, signatures Withrow/Summers.


2176-E does exist but the number they gave was 2176-E*
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 Posted 09/15/2010  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
This guy has some nice notes and is a very well respected dealer. He does Cleary state there is a misclassification for anyone taking the time to read.

As per the grading standards - All the paper grading companies have notes "misclassified" in their respective slabs. This is no exception.

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 Posted 09/15/2010  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list

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As per the grading standards - All the paper grading companies have notes "misclassified" in their respective slabs. This is no exception.


CGA does not (so far).
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 Posted 09/15/2010  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bobo_Jenkins to your friends list
What's irritating is that the seller is well aware it's not a star note yet it puts it in the title and description, before of course he mentions it's not. I would never trust him.
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09/15/2010 8:55 pm
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 Posted 09/16/2010  06:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Zee, I know someone who has a "mis classified" CGA note. It's an error that was missed by all parties involved (previous owner, CGA and the currency dealer who took it on consignment).
Although I have not seen the note the story behind it and the price paid was rather silly (cheap). This note changed hands during the questionable period in CGA's history.
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 Posted 09/16/2010  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
Hmmm, I stand corrected Ceylon. I copied and pasted the following from the CGA website, and misinterpreted it.

"CGA is the ONLY paper money grading service to never have certified a copy, counterfeit, fake or replica of any kind."

I have seen a counterfeit Confederate note go into a PCGS holder (very recently) and have seen several misidentified U.S. notes in holders but I don't recall the company (s).
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I have seen a counterfeit Confederate note go into a PCGS holder (very recently) and have seen several misidentified U.S. notes in holders


I suppose it is inevitable. If you own an airline sooner or later a plane is going to crash, own a canning company sooner or later someone will find a 12 inch black hair in their soup (like I did a few days ago... gross), have a landscaping business sooner or later Mrs. Smith's prize petunias are going to accidentally be mulched.

So why not this. My employees are always trying to catch me in a mistake and once in a great while they do. I tell them I'm not perfect, I just make fewer mistakes than the average person.
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 Posted 09/16/2010  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
Keep up the good work then Nick.
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 Posted 12/01/2010  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
Found another one today:


PCGS-Grading-Acurracy

The 1702* is the blue seal version. This is a 2309* North Africa note.
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 Posted 12/02/2010  06:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
I have heard of situations where the "submitter" makes an error on the "submission form" which then gets carried onto the holder.

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 Posted 12/02/2010  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
Still, if you are a professional operation you should catch that.
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