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Help Please 1960 Jefferson Nickel Double Or Not

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 Posted 08/19/2006  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
Looks like it to me. If I saw this on a penny, I would know that it is doubled.
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 Posted 08/19/2006  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Irishraider to your friends list
Could be die detioration doubling from worn dies which is still doubling but won't amount to much in extra value.

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 Posted 08/19/2006  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Hi Irish

Its a possibility that die deteroration may play a role in some of the doubling.
But after taking a good close look at my coins I'm pretty sure that the Doubling is Mechanical, There are just to many places that it is present.

Did you notice the back of Jeffersons head and neck in my first pic ?


Rick



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 Posted 08/19/2006  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PennyLover to your friends list
Thanks For The Help
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 Posted 08/20/2006  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Irishraider to your friends list
Rick,

I think yours might be more mechanical. I am no expert on varieties and errors and am still learning. I get most of my info on this subject from here:

http://koinpro.tripod.com/education...egallery.htm

If you look at PennyLover's nickel you can see around GOD and WE what look like little pockmarks. Can also see them on the back of his coat at the neck area. On the obverse you can see it around the word STATES and in the field on the left hand side of monticello (the building and not the word). So I believe that one was from a die that could have just been worn out. Yours on the other hand doesn't show this detioration and the doubling is more noticeable without having to zoom on the pics. It might not be real strong but it is still there.

This is the article more specifically on doubling so you don't have to search through the rest but look at it at your leisure because this website is full of info on the subject of varieties and errors:

http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...Doubling.htm

Dean
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 Posted 08/20/2006  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list

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Pennylover

Please join in the conversation ,, does you coin exhibit the doubling in the same places as mine ?,, is it on the same letters in the same way ?

Dean

what throwing me on these coins is that some of the serifs appear to be split, I will have to wait until I get some day light to retake the pics, and see if I can capture it better, but the top serif of the E is partially visable in my pics.

Rick
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 Posted 08/20/2006  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorfinder to your friends list
just thought i'd add this; note, two or more types of doubling, can occur on the same coin.when I first found some 2004 D [ DDR ]doubled die reverse; lincolns; exhibiting ' Mechanical Doubling', on about 1/2 the reverse devices. I almost discounted the other "doubled die" affects on the same coin. coin had both (two) types of doubling. as I learned the "doubled die" devices held value,however the ' Mechanical Doubling'hold no value ie.add no premium.wish I could add an opinion to what is going on with these nickels.perhaps this;just keep in mind, there could be more than one type of 'doubling' happening to them. hopefully some of the valuable kind(s).
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 Posted 08/20/2006  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Southern Yankee to your friends list
Hey Metalman, I have a 1961 that looks identical to both of those. I always thought it to be Mechanical Doubling. I can see no split serifs.
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 Posted 08/20/2006  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Hi Mike

can you share pics of your coin ?

I have two examples of this particular coin both AU,, there are a couple of slight differences but thats to be expected.

Rick
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 Posted 08/20/2006  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Southern Yankee to your friends list
Here you go Metalman. The obverse is not as pronounced as the reverse. Hard to get the pics to show with my camera. Still working on the lighting issue. Plus this coin is a little more worn than yours.

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 Posted 08/20/2006  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Hi Mike

I agree with your opinion of Machine Doubling on your coin ,, Thanks for the pics !!

Rick
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 Posted 08/20/2006  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PennyLover to your friends list

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Thanks For The Help


Pennylover

Please join in the conversation ,, does you coin exhibit the doubling in the same places as mine ?,, is it on the same letters in the same way ?

Dean

what throwing me on these coins is that some of the serifs appear to be split, I will have to wait until I get some day light to retake the pics, and see if I can capture it better, but the top serif of the E is partially visable in my pics.

Rick



Metalman,
Sorry it took so long getting back I can see were it looks like it in the y in Liberty and the ca in America of United states of America
in your coin.
I think I will send this one off and have it checked I can't tell for sure.
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 Posted 08/21/2006  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list
I believe they are shelf doubling or(mechanical)these are reasonably common . And do appear to be doubled but usually the doubling is in line with the particular device or letter, or number and quite often you will see some letters say in the word liberty that are doubled looking but some are not.
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 Posted 08/27/2006  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gusp to your friends list
Sometimes this type of doubling is from die polish ragged onto well used dies. When polishing, the compound stays on parts of the die, builds up and sets into spaces, cracks ect. When the die strikes it smashes the polish and coin and thusly doubles the image aroung the devices. Most times it lays in around the features usually on both sides of letters, ect. I believe that is what this is. Nonetheless it is one messed up coin error. Good luck. Gusp
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 Posted 08/27/2006  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cearnan to your friends list
It appears to be a double strike, but not a double die. The way you can tell is that a double strike that is slightly off-center will leave a shelf-like or step-like strike, as opposed to a double die, which appears as more rounded and "mushed" together. I believe that the nickel you have is a known variety. Along with that is also a triple strike (I have a bad example of an older Jefferson nickel with that).
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