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1982 Large Or Small Beads?

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 Posted 11/04/2010  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list
Thanks for the information on the guide.

I will hopefully get to the library tonight.
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 Posted 11/05/2010  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malibu to your friends list
I once read somewhere: check the bun just below the outward projecting jewel on the back of the queens tiara. If you can count 10 different strands in the hair befor a blank spot, it is a small bead low relief; If you can only go 3 or 4...it is Large beads
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 Posted 11/05/2010  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list
I went by the library yesterday and the only copy of a Charlton guide they had was a 1977...

Thanks malibu, I will try that. I am pretty sure I have a Small Bead coin, but its always good to confirm. Thanks again
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 Posted 11/05/2010  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dottir to your friends list
Well if you counted the beads and there are 120 then thats what number beads the guide says
for the small beads type. Too bad we couldn't find some good images and descriptions
for you yet.

Re the library, did you check the reference only section of your library? They often have
newer versions of books in their reference sections that aren't allowed out of the library.

The library one I have is from 2009 Carlton Coin Guide, 48th edition, and doesn't provide
much info.

I looked at their small images of it and don't know if this is an indicator, but
the last A in REGINA looks to point betwettn the denticles of the small beads one.
The large beads points AT a denticle. I haven't seen any mentios of A & denticles
placements as indicators for this variety though. I just had a look ;)

BUT ... if it does indicate then looking at YOUR coin, I see that your A points between the denticles
just like the small beads image in the guide I have.
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 Posted 11/05/2010  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cazzuey to your friends list
looks like an $80 coin. Nice find!
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 Posted 11/05/2010  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list

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Did you check the reference only section of your library? They often have newer versions of books in their reference sections that aren't allowed out of the library.

I never walked around to look, I decided to use the libraries computer and it said they only had a 1977 copy. I might go back sometime to take a look, or I will just have to order my own off Chapters.

Thanks Dottir for all your help with this coin.


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Looks like an $80 coin. Nice find!

Thanks, I just had a closer look at the coin using my loupe, and I could not see more than two very tiny surface scratches on the front and back. What would that be considered? MS-63? (I am new to grading)
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11/05/2010 11:23 pm
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 Posted 11/06/2010  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dottir to your friends list
You're more than welcome :)

The library computer would have shown any reference copies too so looks
like your library only has that 1977.

My library has little requests for new titles to be added in the library and I'm thinking of suggesting they add the 2011 Charlton guide, even if just in reference section. They might bring it in by request :)
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 Posted 11/06/2010  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
Folks, while I have just finished reading the thread, and was going to suggest thaat there might be a "gouge, (like the answers to a test), somwhere. it turned out to be so, and malibuhas it!
I had the same problem with the size of the beads on the "Vicky's", with the three sizes, and there is a site that spells it out. it is verty hard for me to tell very easily, but the shape is a bit easier. I have a vision problem, obviously, so I use "cheaters" where possible. I suppose others do, also.
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 Posted 11/06/2010  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list
Dottir,

I went back to my library and looked around, and they had the 2009 edition Charlton guide. The 2010 or 2011 (I forget which) could only be used in the library.

Thanks again
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 Posted 11/06/2010  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dottir to your friends list
Great to hear! A 2009 or 2010/11 are at least a whole lot more current than the 1977 eh? Take care and am glad if anything I said helped you or someone else!
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 Posted 03/30/2013  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nighthawk to your friends list
I just found that I had the small beads variety as well. What I did so that I could count all those tiny beads was to lay my coins on my scanner, blow up the photo to 250% of normal size, then I was easily able to take a pen & cross out each dot as I counted. This worked very well. I made a few copies and recounted just to make sure, and indeed I do have the small beads variety. Do you think that maybe someone at the RCM used a proof die to strike circulation pieces? My 2009 Krause catalog shows the small bead variety only for a proof coin of that year. I just sometimes wonder how an error like this is discovered? Any ideas? John :)
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 Posted 02/25/2014  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add springerhill to your friends list
hi, I had recently discovered that there was 2 types of 1982 fifty cent pieces so I looked and found I have 1 in my collection, 1 in my binder of "spare" coins and also I have two year sets. after reading this post I decided to take all 4 pieces to work and puton photocopier and zoom them 1 at a time to 400% and count them. to my surprise all 4 have 120 beads. 2 are still in the mint cellophane and 2 are in AU+ condition.
my point I'm trying to make is..it makes me wonder just how "scarce" these type 2 coins are if I had 4 and they all turned out to be type 2 small 120 bead coins. it seems like the 118 large bead type 1 coins should be the sought after ones.

anyways, just my thoughts.

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 Posted 02/25/2014  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Why count the beads?
Large beads, A in REGINA points between beads.
Small beads, A in REGINA points to a bead.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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02/25/2014 7:28 pm
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 Posted 02/25/2014  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add falcon to your friends list

or is that the other way around?
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 Posted 02/25/2014  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
No,the large beads A points between, and the small beads A points to a bead though ever so slightly to the right.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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