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Ancient Greek, Roman, Or Egyptian Coin?

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United States
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 Posted 01/20/2011  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmogan to your friends list
ya, thats what I was thinkin, it is a super nice lookin coin for its age, and judging by the other coins that this deceased person owned, I'm assuming it should not b a fake, as it was probably found with a metal detector in a remote location. I should be meeting up with her (new owner of the coin) tmw and weigh it, and do some more research. I too, agree that this coin is VERY beautiful and would buy it from her asap if I was not in such a tight financial situation with rent and bills and such. well. I will send in that pic to "susan" to get my profile pic updated. so, is "susan" a "bot" or a person? lol sorry if I'm being too specific for some.
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 Posted 01/20/2011  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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One question, prolly google can answer, and I will go and check that next, but, anyone know approx. how much the goin rate for one of these coins in this condition would be worth if it is NOT a fake?

The one in the link I posted above sold for $775, but it's a sharper strike and in better condition. $300 to $400 would probably be a more realistic price for yours.

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so, is "susan" a "bot" or a person?

Entirely human, so give her a week or so to respond to your request.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 01/21/2011  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmogan to your friends list
hell ya, cool cool, thanks for all the help, and I wasnt able to meet up with her(owner of the coins)today, and will have the coin in my possesssion tmw.
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 Posted 01/21/2011  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list
I am afraid that this is a cast fake. The details are soft and there is evidence of casting on the surfaces of the coin. I was looking at the pics and hoping to get a view of the edge... when I reached the edge image all my suspicions were confirmed. There is a very clear casting seam and evidence of filing around the edge of the coin which is the real clincher here and enough to confirm the fake cast nature of this one.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...
Martin
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 Posted 01/21/2011  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmogan to your friends list
no prob, I appreciate any and ALL help, especially HONEST information!, so thank you very much, and I will have this coin in my possession later today, will weigh it, possibly post more pics if the weight is acurate, I too had my suspicions right when I saw this coin as there is some sort of seam on the edge, thats why I took a pic of the edge too! lol well thanks for all of your help, and I should be posting here later on this eve.
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 Posted 01/22/2011  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmogan to your friends list
yessss, she is DEFFINATELY a FAKE! she weighed out at 10.4 grams...

so, I thank everyone, again, for all of the help I have received here.
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 Posted 01/22/2011  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meldercat to your friends list
People that make these fakes are without honour. Countries that make no effort to discourage such activities are, in my opinion, as dishonourable. With China clamping down on illegal media coping maybe that will spill over into our hobby. I truly doubt it. It's funny we never hear about US, UK or Canadian forgeries. The RCMP in Canada have made effrots to curb such problems. This was a direct result of collector pressure. It's up to us to influence our law makers. ebay and other such sites have been given a free ride for far to long. ebay should ban all sales from China until this gets sorted out.
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 Posted 01/22/2011  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list
Meldercat,
There was a notorious fake ring on ebay a few years back (maybe 4/5 years ago) called "the Toronto Group", which created short lived accounts, selling, quite successfully, modern cast fakes in private on-day auctions. They were named as such due to all their ebay accouns being in Canada and primarily in Toronto. This is no real indication of their actual location per se but people actually dealing with them found them to all be living in / near Toronto based on mailing addresses, franking on packages etc. They operated quite successfully for about 18 months to 2 years. They had eastern European names and the original source of the coins was likely Bulgaria, which is one of the prime sources for fakes sold on ebay in recent times and even today.
Whilst China is the source for many fakes on ebay, Bulgaria seems to be the source of the majority of Ancient coin fakes that I have seen on ebay in recent years.
They used to sell directly from Bulgaria but have now branched out and have resellers in France, Germany and the United Kingdom who act as the front end for the distribution of the fakes sourced from Bulgaria. This is just to make people aware of the way that these folks operate.
They continue to produce new varieties, primarily cast fakes, which are difficult to spot in the general low quality images seen on ebay and seem to fool quite a lot of people who have the coins in hand given the feedback one sees on ebay.
I have had the "pleasure" of looking over multiple such coins purchased by a friend and they look and feel wrong in hand and show many faults under minimal magnification. The sellers are quite willing to refund your money rather than risk any negative feedback and will retaliate with name calling responses to negative feedback even though they are unable to leave negative feedback any more. They will then pursue grievance proceeding under ebay rules to have such negative feedbacks removed this maintaining a high, flawless feedback rating.
I agree that these people have no honour and I have attempted to have many dozens of such sellers closed down but they continue to reappear. I am an admin on the Fake reports database on Forum Ancient Coins and try and keep abreast of fakes as much as possible.

Rant over. I am sorry I started typing and got carried away!

Regards,
Martin
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 Posted 01/22/2011  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meldercat to your friends list
My understanding is that ebay will not allow listing regarding reproductions or "fantasy" coins unless the coins are so marked?
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 Posted 01/23/2011  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmogan to your friends list
no worries, keep on "ranting" and/or "informing" others with all of this GREAT information. I have deffinately learned a decent amount of knowledge since I have posted this, so, lets keep this post "alive" and keep the responses coming! as well, I am dissapointed that there are even people living on "our" planet earth doing such things to people who do not know the difference. MARIDVNVM; Thank you very much for this information, and do not worry about "ranting", I do the same such thing on pretty much ALL responses, coments, forums, etc. so I "feel" ya! lol
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 Posted 01/23/2011  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmogan to your friends list
sometimes, the internet is the only place where you get to actually speak your mind via "text" and people actually listen, respond, and in many cases can and will help you.

so, I understand... COMPLETELY!
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 Posted 01/23/2011  05:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list
Meldercat is correct in that the ebay require that fakes / fantasy items are clearly marked as such. The sellers I am referring to do not call their coin fakes nor do they actually word their listing to state that they are genuine, they just imply that they are genuine and offer money back if not satisfied.

ebay doesn't have the expertise in house to judge whether these coins are fake or not and remember that they get money from all these items that sell regardless and again when Paypal is used. We can contact them till the cows come home with as much proof as we can but we are only individuals and in general are ignored until it is too late.

ebay has even remove the ability to contact and warn the potential buyers until after they have left feedback (usually positive at this point), at which point they have already paid and have the item in hand.

Regards,
Martin
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 Posted 01/30/2011  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmogan to your friends list
Sorry that I have been absent from this post for so long, but, looks like its gettn dead anyways, so, I will be back soon to post others soon as I get some time here hopefully in the near future.

p.s. great info on ebay, we should come up with a plan to get them to realize what is going on with all these bad sellers selling these fakes. this kinda stuff if pretty dissapointing, yet I cant say that I wouldnt expect things like this to happen especially on places like ebay with all of these scammers and bad people living on our planet. but, hey, its our planet, and, you cant have the positive in life without the negative, AND the equal!
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 Posted 01/30/2011  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmogan to your friends list
well, we might be able to survive without the equal, thatd be a great debate now wouldnt it?
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 Posted 01/30/2011  02:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmogan to your friends list
also, how much in usd approx would a proof set of 5 pc chinese pandas go for not at a retail market? its the set with 1 oz, .5 oz, .25 oz, tenth, and twentieth ounce.
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