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Valued Member
 United States
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Well the shelves are painted steel. There is felt padding on the base but not glued can be removed. The batteries are new. I am just searching hoping to isolate the problem. I have never had this type of problem before.
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Moderator
 United States
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Glued felt linings, wood shelves, humidity, fire retardant materials, and oils to protect the metal surface of the safe could all cause toning. I think the batteries are the least of your worries.  My first thought is the insulation between the inside and outside walls. Most are designed to humidify the air as it heats up (more heat, more humidity). A modest humidifying affect can be present at room temperatures, although if should not be an issue if you use a desiccant (e.g., silica gel packs). |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Toning on coins is usually due to a chemical reacting with the silver or copper at the coin's surface. Sulfur compounds are a major culprit, and there might be a source within the safe.  I would enclose all your coins within smaller airtight containers with silica gel packs. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If the batteries are leaking, they are dead and the system they are intended for will no longer function I wish that were true justcarl...but I just had it happen in my mini maglight...it was weak, but still working and when I tried to replace the batteries, the corrosion from leaking had them stuck pretty tight. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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What idiot manufacturer would put the batteries inside the safe, so that the default would be when the batteries go dead, the safe unlocks (or worse, you have to break into the locked safe to replace the batteries)? On the outside, even if they leak, I can't see them damaging contents.
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Valued Member
United States
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They have a master key that over rides the electronics. I thought I might just use this option if the batteries are the source of my problem.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I wish that were true justcarl...but I just had it happen in my mini maglight...it was weak, but still working and when I tried to replace the batteries, the corrosion from leaking had them stuck pretty tight.
However, the space your discussing on the inside of a flashlight is reather confined. And although a battery was leaking, the flashlight still worked. And just how much gasses did you think were being emitted by that battery. Did it tone all the metal in the area?  Quote:
I have my stuff in a battery powered safe for years, no issues. And your probably one in millions that too have no problems. Most people forget that every time they open a safe, all the air in that safe pours out and is replaced with new air. Some of that new air could be the culprit in that toning. A sort of cure for this would be to stuff that safe with as much stuff as possible so very little air is replaced. This is sort of the same thing with a refrigerator and freezers. You open the door and all the cold air FALLS out. It is heavier than normal air so FALLS out. It is reaplaced with new, warm air that must be cooled so the machine runs and runs and runs. A full refrigerator is more efficient than an empty one. Might be your problem with your safe. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Modern freezers vacuum seal for this reason. You can hear the air being sucked out when you close the door, and it will be very hard to open the door until it finishes removing excess warm air.
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Valued Member
United States
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I am using silica gel pacs and now bought a dehumidifier at a yard sale to try to control the humidity. I am at wits end. I looked in other storage locations and the coins seem to be OK. I noticed a problem on gold FDR in a NGC slab and posted a picture of it spotting a month or so back. I just can't put my finger on the problem it sure is stress builder. Thanks for all your help. Much appreciated.
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Paint used to coat metal in particular contains etching solvents. Acetone, other solvents are also in play. Remnants of these solvents leach from the coatings into the atmosphere for quite some time (and can be smelled by the human nose) for years in some cases.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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biokemist6 has got it right. What else is stored in that safe?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Modern freezers vacuum seal for this reason. You can hear the air being sucked out when you close the door, and it will be very hard to open the door until it finishes removing excess warm air.
So are you suggesting people run out and purchase a new, modern freezer for coin storage?  No need for that if a chest type you know. Stll might be a great place for coin storage to prevent crooks from stealing them. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Rantec Dehumidifier http://www.sportsmansteelsafes.com/...nteriors.htmThere is a very small opening in the safe for the power cord, It keeps contents @ zero humidity. That said, coins are still stored in ziplocs with dessicant. I seriously doubt that the batteries are the culprit Bill Edited by Billie
02/25/2011 10:42 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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So are you suggesting people run out and purchase a new, modern freezer for coin storage?
No need for that if a chest type you know. Stll might be a great place for coin storage to prevent crooks from stealing them. Cold hard cash, as it were? I actually saw a suggestion to put mad money in a plastic or metal container, fill it with water and put it in the freezer. In the time it takes to thaw out, hopefully you changed your mind about spending it. |
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United States
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In the time it takes to thaw out, hopefully you changed your mind about spending it. Brilliant! I am going to see if my wife will do that with her credit cards. |
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