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1861 Nova Scotia

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 Posted 03/12/2011  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thatcanuckyguy to your friends list
My amateur opinion on grade is VG-8/F-12 maybe slightly higher, there seems to be some good detail with the Queen and her hair from the images I can see here...
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 Posted 03/12/2011  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thatcanuckyguy to your friends list
I'm starting to think the 'BR'was re-struck/re-tooled...the bottom of the 'BR' is off the curve of the 'ITT' etc...
The one cent had the same obverse as the British halfpenny.
Any experts around? :)
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 Posted 03/12/2011  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list
Interesting note regarding the mintage numbers. The figures for 1861 was 800,000 and 1,000,000 for 1862, but the 1862 is a more scare coin. The mintage figures above have been combined. This is likely due to some, or most of the cents minted in 1862 were actually minted with 1861 dies.
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 Posted 03/12/2011  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list

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The one cent had the same obverse as the British halfpenny.

This is true and maybe a clue. My Canadian books do not tell how to grade British coins, so you might need help from someone more familiar with British coins.

I personally would give the obverse a VF from those pictures. I am not as sure about the reverse, but would likely give the coin a VF overall.
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 Posted 03/13/2011  06:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add R2bR2c to your friends list
Griffon doesn't mention it in his book, although there are 2-3 mentioned that have well offset "repunching", a word that Jack used to describe most things doubled. The offsets aren't all in the same direction/orientation, so I'm not sure about it all being hub-doubling.
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 Posted 03/13/2011  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
That's pretty interesting, especially the are in BRITT. That looks like it was on the die.
with others here. I'm also unsure how the dies were made, so I don't know if it's retooling or some other process.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChickLit to your friends list

Nice find Scooby! I have a Nova Scotia 1864 1/2 cent from the same era, and upon further examination found similar issues. The ring, however, appears to be solid, and the are is normal. I also noticed a die crack through the C in Victoria. If anyone would be willing to grade, I would appreciate it.

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 Posted 03/24/2011  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thatcanuckyguy to your friends list
I'd pay EF for it plus the die crack premium.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
If I understand correctly, the dies were made from The Royal Mint of London.

Could there be some British cents with a similar obverse?

I can't seem to find anything on the die making process for 1861 London. Anybody have any links or other helpful info?
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 Posted 03/25/2011  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Here's an 1861 British halfpenny obverse photo from an ebay item .

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The Nova Scotia cent and half-cent are quite similar to their New Brunswick counterparts, utilizing virtually identical reverse designs. Like the New Brunswick coins, the obverse die for the half-cent was taken from the British farthing, while the obverse for the cent was simply that of the British halfpenny.
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 Posted 03/25/2011  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
Right, but I'm trying to figure out what happened to the lettering and the ring. Retooling makes sense for the "BR". The alignment of "BR" must be associated with the ring being out of whack. Right?



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-Hi scooby Due- Those are for sure a puzzling set of circumstances!
---For the misalignment of the BR as a possible re-punch as an answer?
---If your looking at the underlying BR it looks about correct, so the offset BR doubling is confusing to me because its only the top BR that is off, yet the doubling is consistent through the whole Britt:.
---So for discussion purposes the inside line doesn't make sense to me as attributed to the offset or doubling because they didn't seem to jive?
---At the top, the lines seem to rejoin and the bottom line goes way off with no real if slight doubling at the bottom? Really strange to me, but I'm not an expert just an observation!
---If it were an expensive coin one could ponder other thoughts, but one must consider that Nova Scotia is well known for making real good Swish Rum and Screech! So who knows?
---I can personality attest to that as I have sampled, leaving a real impression on me as a young man and that's back in 1977 when I did my basic training there for the Army, in Cornwallis.
---It'll mess you up!
---Further thought to that theory, the story for the 1861 and 1862 penny is that they made more 61's in 62, without explanation and only made a few with the right date of 62?
---So more questions?
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 Posted 03/26/2011  04:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commoncents13 to your friends list
That looks like a new avatar -thatcanuckyguy-?
Was it a shave or a haircut?
Or did I have to much Popcorn?
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