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Silver & Gold As Legal Tender

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 Posted 03/18/2011  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Admitting that the price of gold needs to rise is a response to inflation, not a cause.
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 Posted 03/19/2011  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Dollars are supposed to be backed by gold via Fort Knox correct?

You guys think we have enough blocks of gold in Fort Knox, to account for the amount of dollars in circulation, this poster does not rof?
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 Posted 03/19/2011  05:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
$ have not been backed by gold since 1933. Their only backing is faith in the gubmint.

According to some sources, many gold bars are only gold-plated tungsten.
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 Posted 03/19/2011  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oblakavshtanax to your friends list
fred do you mean many bars in general or that many of the bars in fort knox are plated?
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 Posted 03/19/2011  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
While I've seen some interesting information here my knowledge of specific state powers is somewhat lacking. Is it legal for individual states to make their own currency under the current laws governing the Union? I mean, can New York State print and back their own money? Because if not, then a state suggesting that anything at all is money (gold bars or aluminum pots, bundles of twigs or printed currency they made) seems counter productive and relatively pointless and illegal. If they actually can make their own currency then of course they can declare anything at all legal tender within their legislative zone. Then that brings up the last question, how the "h e double hockey sticks" do you enforce precious metals as legal tender.

Seems like it's not a well thought out policy. I'd rather have certificates for currency backed by KWh's of energy than I would gold or silver. "This certificate entitles the holder to 100KW/h of electricity or equivalent in liquid fuel). I say this because in the western world, energy costs are the meat of the price indexes.

Anyhow, this is all a stretch to feel like currency still has some kind of power as it continues to slide.
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 Posted 03/19/2011  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDcoinguy to your friends list
our money is not backed by gold. a lot of people still think it is in some way, but it isn't. I had a conversation with a retired broker of 38 years. we discussed silver and gold as investments and ha asked me " can I eat gold? does it make money? NO they just sit there. it is on speculation.

my point being, well I'm not sure. lol. I just though I would share because so many people are running to gold and silver as a hedge against the falling dollar. but the dollar is no longer backed by gold at all. just because central and world bank still hold it in their vaults, does not mean the fiat paper currency we use daily is backed by it at all.

im not sure what this all means. but I think people need to remember that since 1933 and the Nixon era, our money has become worthless.
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 Posted 03/19/2011  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
Only the federal government can print or coin money. The states do not have that provision.
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 Posted 03/19/2011  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brucec to your friends list
"Only the federal government can print or coin money. The states do not have that provision."

That is not true I have been printing my own money for years now and no one has been able to tell the difference yet
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03/19/2011 2:27 pm
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 Posted 03/19/2011  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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fred do you mean many bars in general or that many of the bars in fort knox are plated?


Both
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 Posted 03/19/2011  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
States would not be printing/minting money. They would require people to accept gold and silver in payment.
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 Posted 03/20/2011  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Was there not like a coinage act from 1965 passed by perhaps the Feds an current president in 65 that says....No public bus has to accept "The dollar", if it believes or trusts more in another form of currency?

I heard peso's are accepted in places in USA now, and Euro's accepted from Washington up to the Hampton's, with N.Y in between, any thoughts on that being accurate?

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03/20/2011 01:48 am
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 Posted 03/20/2011  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oblakavshtanax to your friends list
silver, I am aware of pesos being accepted along the border (on the US side) and, aside from that, I certainly wouldn't be surprised to find that euros were being accepted in the US. just another sign that our currency is crumbling and will soon no longer be the reserve.
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 Posted 03/20/2011  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Ever heard of Berkshares (from a little area up in Umass country), guess what legal currency since 2006, not US currency?
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 Posted 04/04/2011  02:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
I believe that the US Constitution reserves the right to "coin money" to the federal government alone. They did not want 13 individual states continuing to print their own money or the hassles of trying to figure out exactly what each state's money was really worth in relation to the money of other states.

As to the states... there is nothing whatever preventing them from minting scenic state "medallions" from copper or brass, silver, and gold in 1/10, 1/4, 1/2, and 1 oz. sizes. If their residents choose to use these, uh, commerative pieces, as money, well, no one would be stopping them. Note that none of these medallions would have any dollar value on them, just the values for metal, weight, and purity.
Prices for goods and services could be listed in metals and weights instead of dollars. "Want a 100 lb. bag of grain, sir? That'll be 1.75 ounces of silver"... or whatever would be fair in that market.

In the case of Utah and their recent law about gold and silver US coins being used as money - I bet that a lot of that was so that PM coins could be exchanged without anyone having to pay a sales tax on them or a tax on any profits that resulted. After all, if a gold coin is actually money, there would be no tax on exchanging it for a wad of paper bills or for other coins, right? We do not pay a sales tax now for exchanging one form of money for another... trade two $10 bills for a $20 bill and there is no tax owed.
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 Posted 06/06/2011  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
I go into BK and say I wish to trade two money units for two food units.
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