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 Posted 04/27/2011  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Yeah, I'm thinking you'll want to turn off any in-camera adjustments like Sharpening or Contrast. In all cases, postprocessing software will give you the ability to do much more subtle adjustments. The Large Cent looks overprocessed, as well.
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 Posted 04/27/2011  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list
Hmmmm . . . . . now that I am getting a bit less befuddled, maybe I should experiment with shooting in RAW?

Or will that be a whole 'nother can of worms?
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 Posted 04/27/2011  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list
Here is one shot in RAW, no modifications.

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 Posted 04/28/2011  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Keep in mind, though, if you shot that in RAW, something had to convert it into an image you can post. Whatever software you used had to have applied some (even if slight) modification. It's a *little* blurry at full magnification, but as good as anyone on the forum is getting at display size.

Time to quit calling yourself a rookie, Jon.
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 Posted 05/17/2011  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
Nice pics! The blurriness in last shot may be caused by camera tilt. The background is more blurry on the left than on the right, making the coin more blurry on the right than the left since it is at a higher image plane. You can calibrate your flatness by replacing the coin with a mirror and then adjusting until you center the image of the camera sensor in the frame.

On the quarter photo, if you want to reduce glare you can put a diffuser over your lights. But I caution you on this, it is a major rabbit hole that you may not want to jump down. Getting lighting just right to eliminate hot spots and shadows simultaneously with a single lighting setup and single exposure is a major undertaking. I've spent countless hours fiddling with lighting, light positions, diffusers, reflectors, ad nauseum and am still not fully satisfied with my setup.

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 Posted 05/17/2011  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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You can calibrate your flatness by replacing the coin with a mirror and then adjusting until you center the image of the camera sensor in the frame.


Wait. I've been beating my head against this issue for five years, and you just solved it in one sentence?

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 Posted 05/17/2011  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaymon74 to your friends list
That's how it works around here SuperDave! This has been excellent information by the way guys!
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 Posted 05/17/2011  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list

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You can calibrate your flatness by replacing the coin with a mirror and then adjusting until you center the image of the camera sensor in the frame


Possible with bellows? Or even necessary if using a lens optimized for flat field work?
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 Posted 05/17/2011  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list
Wow! Great tip.
I have been away from the camera for a bit, but the mirror trick will be the first thing I try when I get back to it.
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 Posted 05/18/2011  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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Possible with bellows? Or even necessary if using a lens optimized for flat field work?


The bellows setup will be pretty much fixed, I think; if you had screw-in feet at each corner of a u-shaped base, you could twiddle those with a coin sitting in the center of the U. Or, arrange a base for the coin capable of the same manipulation.

Regardless of lens optimization, you still have to get the plane of the coin and the plane of the lens parallel.
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 Posted 05/18/2011  06:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
This is one of the reasons I am a proponent of a fixed setup, ie lens/bellows and stand bolted together and adjusted for flatness. I don't want to have to adjust things all the time! When I put together a bellows setup on a stand, I shim the bellows mount with thin pieces of sticky felt until lens and coin planes are parallel. Having things parallel gives you more flexibility in choosing f/stops since you don't have to worry as much about depth of field.
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 Posted 05/20/2011  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list
This new copy stand of mine has a bubble level on the tripod head. Have you found these to be effective? Or just eye candy?
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 Posted 05/21/2011  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Which gives the more accurate reading, a 48" level or a 24" one? Eye candy.
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 Posted 05/21/2011  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
Levels can help for gross misalignment, but I have not found them useful for the fine adjustment required for best relative flatness. Plus, it's a multi-step process: first you have to make sure the coin surface is level, then level the camera. But is the place you put the level on the camera parallel with the sensor, and is the sensor parallel with the lens mount? Until I learned the mirror trick I did my leveling by taking pictures of the top surface of a coin wide-open, then looking at the top/bottom/left/right edges and adjusting the camera/bellows until all were in focus. This works, but is tedious.

Of course if you just give up on leveling all together you can compensate by using image stacking. This will ultimately give you a better image because you can shoot at a wider aperture that has higher resolution and gathers more light. Coins are flat enough that usually just a few shots are sufficient to get everything in focus. Problem is there is a lot of work required for each image. But if you are intentionally tilting the coin for lighting purposes or to get a particular view of a variety, stacking may be your only hope to get a good DOF.
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 Posted 05/31/2011  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list
Tryed the mirror trick last night. Worked like a charm.

Great tip!!
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