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Spotting Of Coins In Safty Deposit Box.whats The Answer?

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 Posted 04/04/2011  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list
The coins are in 2x2s, whitman albums for pennies,nickels and dimes, and TPG slabs. There is a partial haze and toning, light spotting and also a white powder like crust on some of the pennies.
I never thought of cleaning product being a air born problem.
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 Posted 04/04/2011  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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The coins are in 2x2s, whitman albums for pennies,nickels and dimes, and TPG slabs. There is a partial haze and toning, light spotting and also a white powder like crust on some of the pennies.
I never thought of cleaning product being a air born problem.

Again, a safe deposit box is not intended to be like a time capsule. They are far from being air tight. Simply put things in Zip Lock Plastic Bags.
If you've you've ever washed your floors with some soaps, some have amnonia in them. Some have all kinds of things that emit fumes. Most products for floor cleanings have warnings on them to use in well ventilated areas.
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 Posted 04/04/2011  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list
Thanks Carl. We have done as you recommended in our two little safes with the ZIP lock bags. I don't know why I didn't do at the bank. Brain slow getting in gear. Thanks again.
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 Posted 04/05/2011  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Use multiple protection layers, the more, the better. I have two large boxes. My coins are in airtites, 2x2's, binder pages and tape-sealed plastic tubes. That stuff goes into a heavy ziplock with a desiccant pack and a cleaned cent (sacrificial copper), that goes into another ziplock, finally those bags go into tupperware-type containers.
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 Posted 04/05/2011  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list
Thad, Would Verdi-Care help protect these coins. I have used it on ancients and had very good results. I have also used it on other coins We took to a flea market and professionals didn't know we had used anything. I want your opinion on copper,nickel,silver and gold. Soaking light rubbing what would be your approach. Thanks for your opinion.
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 Posted 04/05/2011  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IHPO8S to your friends list
My bank must not wax there floors inside the vault area. Most of my coins are slabs, 2x2, rolls proof eagles some sets. Some are in zip locks some in ngc and pcgs box's. Some are in cigar box's. I also have currency in holders. I have documents and stock certs also. I have never noticed any problems with neither of my box's. I have had these box's since the eighties. The bank has changed names 3 times. Any suggestions on were to get some desiccant packs?
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 Posted 04/05/2011  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
You can make your own. Just mix some rice and salt together.
Rice alone works but can attract rodents etc. Salt also works alone.
Mixed they will not attract vermin and act as well as silica or other
substances. Baby powder will work also. Have the ol lady umm, wifey or whatever sew you up some packets. Actually I sew myself. Men can sew.

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 Posted 04/06/2011  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list
Get a different bank! Never heard of this, although I do beleive you. I've had some of my coins in one bank since 1971 without any use of dessicants/gel packs or put in any tupperware or baggies. Some of the other coins I have are in a different bank, same thing, no special protection. Banks know that people keep precious jewelry, coins, documents, etc. in their vaults and realize that people like you need to be able to trust their boxes to keep their costomers valuables unharmed.
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 Posted 04/06/2011  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
The problem is the conditions in a bank vault for the preservation of documents is not the same as what is needed for the preservation of coins. Documents need a high humidity to keep from drying out and getting brittle, coins need a low humidity.
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 Posted 04/06/2011  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Many banks actually do humidify their vaults. I know someone who had a BU set of IHCs spotted up in a bank SDB over a period of several years, he ended up losing about $1000 on them. I do not trust a bank at all to maintain the proper climate control for the preservation of coins.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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The problem is the conditions in a bank vault for the preservation of documents is not the same as what is needed for the preservation of coins. Documents need a high humidity to keep from drying out and getting brittle, coins need a low humidity.

I've heard this several times in the past. And not long ago I posted what I found out from several banks about such things. At 5 different banks I was sort of laughed at since all pointed out they have only one A/C system and to have another system for safedeposit boxes is not exactly in their budget. This is true of smaller brach type banks of which today, most are. At a few very, very large banks in the downtown Chicago area trying to find someone that knew the answer or wanted to discuss this was no fun. Most looked at me as if I wanted to rob the place.
At a few local Bank of America places where I have safe deposit boxes they did show me the air ducts that went into the vaults. And they are the same ones that were for the entire bank. As one bank officer pointed out to have additional humidity pumped into a safe deposit area would make for massive complaints by employees. Most appreciate the A/C getting rid of humidity.
I suggest if you think banks have a separate A/C system for the safe deposit areas, just go there and ask. There may be banks that do this but for normal, everyday, regular banks that are recently pennie pinching, a separate A/C system for one area in the bank is just not practicle.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Thad, Would Verdi-Care help protect these coins. I have used it on ancients and had very good results. I have also used it on other coins We took to a flea market and professionals didn't know we had used anything. I want your opinion on copper,nickel,silver and gold. Soaking light rubbing what would be your approach. Thanks for your opinion.



VC is only designed for use on problem coins. If only protection is desired, it's always best to use airtites, 2x2's, bags, etc. before resorting to chemical treatment.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list
What an education I have received on bank vaults and safety deposit boxes. The humidistat is set at 55-65% and the temp is set at 74 deg. The main a/c unit supplies all the cooling regulated by variable dampers through out the bank. The humidity is also controled by this unit. My bank is TD BANK. I have put all the coins in ziplock freezer bags for the time being. The safty deposit boxes are not air tight and the only guarantee is for physical loss,covered for declared value.
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 Posted 04/08/2011  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list
I use SORB-IT. Absorbs moisture only. Change twice a year.
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 Posted 04/08/2011  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Another thing to observe at most banks is during the day, most banks have the vaults open to the normal air of the bank. In most though they do have a barred door to stop just anyone from going in and out. Those barred doors allow the air from the bank to go into the vaults kad out as well. One more reason that it is impractical to have a separate system for any one room in the banks.
At another bank I go to the safe deposit boxes are in the basement. There is a person stationed there all day to allow people to use their safe deposit boxes and/or to acquire new ones or get rid of present ones. I asked about the A/C system there since it is known that cold, damp air falls and hot dry air rises. The lady stationed down there said she sure would appreciate a separate system for down there since the air really is horrible. Unfortuately for her there is only one system for the entire bank.
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