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 Posted 04/09/2011  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Liquid nitrogen won't have much effect on metals.

I have seen LN used for forming an ice plug inside a water main to turn off a water supply, to enable repairs to the pipe.

Perhaps you have seen or heard of the effect LN has on rubber articles. When they are frozen, they harden, and will shatter into small pieces with impact shock. When the pieces warm up again, they regain their rubber resilience.

Dry ice (CO2) in a tin can urinal? Now that IS funny!
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 Posted 04/09/2011  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add w1a9c8k5 to your friends list
Why?
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 Posted 04/10/2011  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list
I saw a flower and a frog break up in Liqued Oxygen with a freezing point of 50.5 K (��'368.77 °F; ��'222.65 °C)pretty cool

funnest thing with LOX is mix it with boiling water-- it explodes!
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 Posted 04/10/2011  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
I believe the "dipped" item has to be organic (contain carbon). Metals (other than some types of steel) are inorganic. I very well could. Be wrong its been 25 years since I've taken a chemstry course. LOL
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 Posted 04/10/2011  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Quoting the "ask a scientist" web site:

"many metals can become brittle at temperatures
well above that of liquid nitrogen (-196 deg C or -321 deg F). This
tendency to be brittle (i.e., fracture under impact) is referred to as a
metal's "toughness" and this toughness is temperature sensitive"
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 Posted 04/10/2011  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Zinc is already brittle at room temperature; cooling a zinc cent to liquid nitrogen temperatures will not make it appreciably more brittle.

Cooling a quarter with LN2 might make it more brittle, but I think you're more likely to see a more spectacular effect; an American quarter is clad, and the two different alloys (the cupronickel cladding and the pure copper core) have slightly different thermal expansion properties i.e. they will shrink by different amounts when cooled. Cooling a clad quarter could well result in the cladding tearing away and the coin spontaneously splitting (or splitting with very little effort) into two or three pieces.

This may even explain the origin of some of the "missing clad layer" errors seen about the place.
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 Posted 04/10/2011  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zarboy to your friends list
Now that is a COOL trick SAP.
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 Posted 04/10/2011  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Most metals remain malleable at LN temperatures. You're thinking of organic materials (carbon based) that shatter. I've done with with some insects at work, drop 'em in, let 'em freeze, pour out the critter and smack it with something and it breaks into a lot of pieces. LOL

Sap - I like your theory. I think I'll do a clad quarter and a Zincoln next week and report what happens.
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 Posted 04/10/2011  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list
Try it on Toonies and Loonies instead, or as well.
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 Posted 04/10/2011  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Dry ice (CO2) in a tin can urinal? Now that IS funny!

Why?

Dry ice is around -150°F. It turns directly from a solid to a gas when warmed. Urine is 98.6°F, immediately creating huge quantities of gas.

Get some dry ice. Take half a pound and hammer it into pieces that will go into a 2 liter bottle (take care in handling as it will quickly give you frostbite). Add a cup of water, simply to speed up conversion to gas. Put the cap on tightly and get away from it. Do not go near it, because it will explode, usually in a minute or so. The more it stretches the plastic, the bigger the boom. We tossed one into a beat-up kitchen trash can. It ripped it up pretty bad, the cap and part of the bottle (so hard you couldn't bend it) went over a three-story building and 45' away.

LOX needs handled with care. One day, they blacktopped a parking lot, covering everything from dirt to gravel to cement. When they finished, a guy pulled up with LOX.

He asked if they remembered one area that was concrete, then told them they'd have to remove the blacktop from that area. Seems that when LOX hits blacktop, it catches fire on contact, no source of ignition needed.
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 Posted 04/10/2011  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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If I froze a cent or a quarter with liquid nitrogen would I be able to break it in half like a potato chip?

Not meaning to be a stickler for details but exactly what date coins are your referring to? Worn or new? Covered with dirt or clean? Break in half with your hands? Using a metalic tong or plastic? Exactly in half or almost in half? Have you ever been able to break a potato chip in exacly half?
And note most replys are for metals in general, not your specific coins which you must relly clarify their age, type and condition.
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 Posted 04/10/2011  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
Biggfred - You are right )ou cannot mix LOX with any petroleum product! All oxygen LOX, Bottled or even from a concentrator can be volitale when mixed with any petroleum product. Even Vaseline!
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 Posted 04/11/2011  05:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Some elements form allotropes at different temperatures.
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 Posted 04/11/2011  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
eric273. This is sort of what happens a lot here. Kind of the old story of someone asking what time it is and you end up with someone telling you how watches were invented.
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 Posted 04/11/2011  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list
100% oxygen and any petroleum product do not play well together. As any aviator that used a petroleum based lip balm and then donned his (or her) oxygen mask can tell you. Too bad we ASOs couldn't convince a lot of Sergeant Majors that required SF guys to camo up and do HALO.

I'd really like to see some stats on metals and extreme temps. Crews that flew on polar missions during winter were concerned that aircraft parts would brittle and fail if actuated after being "cold soaked".
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