2011 Venetian Glass Ladybug $20 Silver Coin?

Too many fakes out there for me to touch this one.

I pulled out my Ladybug coin and the S on my coin is definitely a regular "s" and not the big "s" I see I the picture.

Unless the RCM minted a variation of the Ladybug coin, either the ebay listing is a counterfeit or I have a fake.

Since I bought my coin many years before it hit the $1000 mark, I think the ebay listing is a fake.

Having a COA means nothing when it could be faked plus those clamshells can be bought anywhere.

This coin looks to me like the typical result when using a flash on the mirrored and polished fields of a coin. It has a common tendency to cast weird and unusual reflections often creating an unreliable image. That a counterfeit would be so flawlessly perfect in all other regards including the accuracy of the coloured areas but then glaringly reveal itself to be a fake because of a seemingly obvious oversized S? That's a bit of stretch....

Yes it's wise that we always be on the lookout for fakes but rendering any kind of useful opinion on only this poor photo is impossible. The right thing to do is contact the seller for better photos, otherwise us making unfounded allegations here just does not seem right. If Ladybugs are being counterfeited, there's obviously more than just one.




Good question!

The problem with that is it then leads to the risky conclusion that

Seller from China = 100% counterfeit
Seller from elsewhere = 100% authentic

This is a good example of one of the biggest downsides of individuals selling higher priced NCLT on ebay.

It's also contrary to my own level of buying anything on ebay from a private seller, regardless of where they live. My limit is about $200max. I figure between the risk of counterfeit (most often con artists are not going to photograph the fake if it's being passed off as an original), including not getting the same coin as was photographed or not receiving the order, etc, just to me not worth the risk if it turns into a hassle. Even if I have to pay a little more, I go with a reputable dealer and think of it as insurance.

ok, I am not going to defend China as a whole.because yes that is where a lot of bad stuff comes from... but what about this seller and their products are we thinking counterfeit. has anyone checked their feedback? has anyone checked their past sales? or current items for sale?

you may not want to buy from China , but do it for the right reason..

i wouldn't buy this coin because it is priced out of my budget..and the current market for this coin, not because this particular seller is in China..

Just saying, if he was selling fake morgans, and maples, and others then I say o.k. boycott, this seller.

I'm done here ..

If you're referring to my comments, there was nothing racial involved nor did I comment on the particular coin or seller from the ebay listing.

China is widely know as a source of many, many counterfeit products. You do realise that they even knock off cars there, right?

http://driving.ca/lexus/auto-news/e...inal-designs

There is simply no regard in the Chinese legal system or courts for product design, IP or copyright laws. I could get very industry specific but to keep this to NCLT, just look at the site that is the subject of this Wall Street Journal article. You will literally see hundreds of counterfeit RCM coins being offered in bulk. This should not be news to anyone.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/brands-accuse-(Not Allowed)-of-not-doing-enough-to-stop-sale-of-counterfeit-goods-1475898037

I would not expect to buy a genuine item from China any more than I would expect to buy real Cuban cigars in the Dominican Republic. YMMV. Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a cigar in DR, but I would certainly be aware if I did.




Sorry but this conclusion is 100% flawed. You can likely buy a counterfeit from a seller located in every corner of the world. You can likely also buy a real item from a seller in every corner of the world. The difference is probability.

edited for spelling.