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D, I still remember one of my first mystery coins...hardly a date and nothing like I had seen before, that has been one of my all-time best buys. The thrill of the chase is what keeps me going. Someday I'm sure I'll nail down the origins of the token...then, like you, I'll go out and fine another lost-cause. ;)
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amida, I found Punch creepy as well! You are not alone.
That medal is wicked cool, though. Let us know what you find out.
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Hi Bluntedbobylon....Yes there are a few updates..
1 - I was told by a Punch & Judy historian that I have made a great find.
2 - A friend of mine in Ontario is sending me information on the intials A & M suggesting the maker is Allen & Moore of Birmingham who were medalists, button makers, die makers, engravers and they were in business from 1840 - 1854.
3 - I was asked by a person in England if he could take some pictures that I sent him to Spinks for their opinion and knowledge. (I googled the name and found out they are a large auction company)
4 - I was sent information by a friend about an auction that sold a medal made by Allen & Moore that had on one side a cartoon taken from Punch Magazine in 1854. This suggests that there is a connection.
5 - Reading the book "The History Of Punch" it states that artist H G Hines was asked to make a Punch medal and or seal. He did a drawing of the seal but the seal was never made.
6 - Just my thoughts on #5...I think it is possible that in early 1844 after the 6th cover 1st design was drawn by Richard Doyle, this cover design was taken to Allen & Moore to make the Punch Medal. For what ever reason the proto type medal made was never approved and probably not paid for by Punch Magazine. Not being paid for their services Allen & Moore set the medal aside and it was forgotten. (Again this is just a thought)
7 - Another thought and the last of the updates so far...The positive here for me is the fact that all the people I have spoke with and sent pictures to including Punch & Judy Clubs, historians etc..Have never seen or heard of this medal. It is the lack of information that suggests and encourages me that this may be one of a kind.
All and all it is a Fun medal and no matter what the final out come is..it would be nice to find the true history.
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05/19/2011 4:02 pm
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Canada
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I found this Queen Victoria 1840 marriage medal by A & M...Scary close to the Queen Victoria image on Punch's Medal....  |
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United States
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If you did not buy this medal from Bill Mac, I can tell you that it is not one of a kind.
Did you?
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05/21/2011 04:41 am
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Canada
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I got this from Liverpool, England...I do not know who Bill Mac is ( maybe you can explain)
Also I am very interetsed in finding out why you say this is not one of a kind as it would help solve this mystery for me..Can you give more details and some pictures...Thank you
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United States
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CheetahCats, I'm curious as well... Who is Bill Mac?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bill is a dealer here in the States who recently listed another of the same specimen.
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05/28/2011 01:16 am
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Canada
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Excellent...as now I might be getting closer to finding out about the history on this medal.
I googled Bill Mac and could not find his site, can you give more specific details with a link to where I can see the one he has listed and his description..Thanks
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Thank you...cheetahCats...  ....Knowing now that there are two is a bonus. These are rated scarce to rare. It is still unknown as to the origin and what quantities were made and for what purpose. This will lead me down a new path of direction in putting alot more research into Allen & Moore and their medals. Thanks again and I will keep this updated should I find any new info.... |
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You're welcome. Good luck.
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Great news! I might still be able to get one   |
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Posted 05/08/2011 5:49 pm
Wow! Congrats so far! With all of the mystery around this thing, something like #6 seems very possible. Now I'm extremely jealous and will kick myself for a good while for not bidding on it in time! 
