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Pillar of the Community
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I am not sure if higher PM prices indicate a bad economy but is does seem that PM have performed well in some worst economic crises of the 20th century. If I remember correctly gold rose in the great depression, the 70's, and recession of 2008.
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Actually PMs had a big dip in price in that 2008 recession.
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With the amount of debt that the US has and with them wanting to raise the ceiling, I don't see PM's going down too much in the short run. Having more debt can mean a weaker US dollar and that could drive the price up.
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Would have to side with mmorgan on this one. Also, great point about lack of precious metals in portfolios. The media is really adding to the hype lately.
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It is true that most of the PM's had a big dip in 2008. I guess I was thinking mostly about gold when I referring to PM's.
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I would say that 2008 dip was direct ramifications from the housing market collapse, and no late day pull back like often happens, as silver is at $40.56 and gold is real close to $1604....
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Silver please hit 100$/oz so I can buy a house. :)
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Quote: I just don't see this as a bubble...yet. Nope, me neither. The only bubble I see these days is the government spending bubble... and it will go "POP!" one of these days.  Quote: Actually PMs had a big dip in price in that 2008 recession. Indeed. At that time, a lot of folks were scrambling to gather up any and all cash that they could to pay for immediate needs. The saying then was that "Cash is King!". As we learned more and more about US and Euro debt, though, this changed to "Cash is trash!". :-/ I wasn't into PMs then but did scoop up a lot of cheap stock and mutual fund shares in late '08 through early '09. A lot of that was up 25-40% in 2010.  Quote: It's been a bumpy ride, with a couple more dips to come! It sure has and it is more likely to get worse before it gets better. Quote: IMO, once congress corrects the debt ceiling thing, the gold & silver bubble should burst, or at least start the decline. Perhaps we should be thinking more along the lines of "Can congress correct the debt problems we face?". This problem has been with us for quite a while yet it has really accelerated in the past 3-4 years. At some point, huge problems like this tend to become uncontrollable. It's like careening down a curvy mountain road in a wagon with crummy steering and no brakes... and we're rapidly picking up speed.  Quote: I'm about to go to my local coin shop and see wut he has. But I'm tempted to not get anything because I feel like its going to go up, and then significantly fall back down, kind of like what silver did a few months back This is why some of us ignore prices and buy a little silver on a routine basis. We are doing the dollar cost averaging approach. Because of this, we end up with a little more when prices are low and a little less when prices are high... but we always end up with some! Over time, this builds our collection and results in a pretty decent average price. $40 silver looks expensive compared to $30 silver... but not when compared to $100 silver. How many silver stackers quit buying when silver prices exceeded $20 an oz.? I would imagine that some did because they were used to $10-15 per oz. silver and that $20-25 per oz. silver just looked too darned expensive. If we consider all the things that are happening in the world today, we really should consider what silver prices might look like in a year or two. It may well be that they will be higher than today... and perhaps MUCH higher.
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Yeah, I backed up the truck when silver fell hard.  Quote: IMO, once congress corrects the debt ceiling thing, the gold & silver bubble should burst, or at least start the decline. Once they raise the ceiling its back to the printing presses for more devaluing of the dollar. That is long term PM bullish. The one thing I see that would be bearish for PMs is Tom Coburn's debt plan which cuts spending by 9 trillion, but I don't see a chance in heck of that passing.
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Pillar of the Community
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Well back in 2008 I said let it happen the only thing that will fix our economy is a total collapse, then the Washington Mafia will have to do something and the economy will get back to reality.
I still today thing the total collapse is the only fix and it will happen nothing can stop that now we have passed that point.
PM can only go up over the long run (just my 2 cents)
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Valued Member
United States
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Just went to my local coin shop and picked up another 1/10 oz gold eagle. Only charges spot +$60, so I came out with an uncirculated gold eagle for 166. I might deal with him exclusively now
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Pillar of the Community
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Wow, great deal. 
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Quote: The one thing I see that would be bearish for PMs is Tom Coburn's debt plan which cuts spending by 9 trillion, but I don't see a chance in heck of that passing.  They have tossed around numbers like $4T, then $2T, and next probably $1T and they still do not have an agreement. A spending cut of $9T would be awesome but it looks darned near impossible to collect enough votes to pass it. Neither the president nor the senate will go along with that, I'm sure. My thought is that we will get some minor adjustments for 2011-12. It will not be until a new administration comes in that REAL change actually occurs, IMO. The new members of the House, who came in with the 2010 election, are very much aware that they were not sent to DC to negotiate away this election victory. They were sent there to drive the hardest bargains possible with a Dem controlled senate and white house. Note that this does not mean that they are there to reject ALL bargains. At some point, they will have to negotiate to some extent. That's just the way that politics works. It will be a good bargain if neither side is especially happy with it but decide that the result is the best deal they can get. As a conservative, I would like to see the max spending cuts that can be made. If they want some additional tax revenue, I can live with that. When a nation spends money, let that spending impact those who voted for the politicians who did the spending. Shuffling the tax bills for today's spending onto tomorrow's citizens is cowardly in the extreme. Talk about taxation without representation! But the ratio of cuts to revenue needs to be at least 3 or 4 to 1. It also needs to be verified. We do not want another version of promised but unfulfilled spending cuts traded for tax increases that do occur. Been there, done that, and it did not work. The Bowles-Simpson committee that investigated this and made recommendations did a pretty decent job of it. More attention should be paid to their advice than was given by either party.
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I agree with you Ed about the Bowles-Simpson recommendations. Their approach made everybody have some skin in the game and was reasonable in timeframes for reductions. I think draconian spending cuts will be counterproductive,especially if they fall mainly on the backs of the middle class. There need to be spending cuts but there needs to be revenues raised also. I have been mulling over a plan in my head recently,a 10% flat tax,no deductions and everyone pays,include capital gains as income,and in addition,a 2-3% consumption tax on everything but food ,clothing and fuel. That way,those that consume the most will get taxed the heaviest but everyone would pay something.
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