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Why Do Precious Metals Have Value?

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 Posted 08/01/2011  06:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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there are very few things in use today that have 5,000 years of history and are still in use. No government has much more than 1/10th of that kind of history

Poland celebrated their 1000th anniversary in 1966.
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 Posted 08/01/2011  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Poland celebrated their 1000th anniversary in 1966.

So, Poland was a representative democracy 1000 years ago? Somehow, I don't think so.
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 Posted 10/11/2011  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Mitchhailey - don't baseball cards have scarcity?


Sure, they just don't have demand.

The rarest baseball card (only 1 of 1 made, Topps) sold on ebay a couple years ago for around $35.00.
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 Posted 10/11/2011  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
It's pretty simple. DVCollector said it best here. Gold has desirable properties that make it workable. It doesn't tarnish or corrode, it shines, it's dense and portable, it's soft and can take any form. People save it and wear it as status symbols. It's recycled like crazy and is expensive so as to dissuade any reckless wastage. It's hard to mine - it's a dirty job and can damage the environment around the mine. Very few industrial uses means that it's not being dug up to satisfy mindless consumption the way fuels do.

These are all factors. Silver will tarnish and it's not as desirable in color, therefore, it's worth a bit less than gold - in status - but works kind of similar to gold. Platinum is just rare and has a high melting point so needs more time to work with. It doesn't make these metals "money" but they do have some worth depending on what form they take (ore, ingots, jewelry, industrial applications, etc...) So right now we're talking ingots/bars as investment vehicles and you have to look at that point in time of the manufacturing stage because that's what we're all betting on, however, they are all interconnected.
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10/11/2011 10:48 pm
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 Posted 10/12/2011  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list
Well on the subject of a elvis record being worth about an oz of gold. Yes you can trade it, at least to certain people for the same value as an oz of gold, much the same as if you had 1700 USD. The key is that nearly anyone will accept the USD many will accept the gold, but the elvis record theres only a select few who will give you credit for that same value for the elvis record.

Personally if I was doing a trade with you, lets say you where buying a small boat off me worth about 1700 usd today. Id be willing to take the cash, or willing to take gold. However with these elvis records which I personally do not want or care about I would basically want two of them for the one boat. You may disagree and feel its value is equal to a oz of gold or 1700$. But I do not feel the same and from a traders perspective my highly sought after boat is much better to have then some record only a few find value in.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list

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Yeah, I don't think it is just scarcity and supply/demand. There are a lot of things that are scarce that are not valuable.


Yes but name something rare that is highly demanded that is not valuable?

My poops are rare at times, sometimes they are red, other times green and I only produce a few of strange color a few times a month. However even with their rarity nobody wants them.

Vincent Van gogh he produced paintings about on par as my rare body excrement, perhaps a few a month. However people DO want them. Therefore the rarity combined with the demand will drive prices.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add odentheviking to your friends list
Quote: "My poops are rare at times, sometimes they are red, other times green and I only produce a few of strange color a few times a month. However even with their rarity nobody wants them.

Vincent Van gogh he produced paintings about on par as my rare body excrement, perhaps a few a month. However people DO want them. Therefore the rarity combined with the demand will drive prices."

But maybe like Van Gogh, your "Poops" will only be worth something after you are dead and gone! (Which from the sound of it may be any minate now!). I have to say that you really lost me comparing priceless paintings to your "BM", while talking about "PMs"........(now I am not going to be able to eat my breakfast!).

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 Posted 10/12/2011  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add odentheviking to your friends list
Quote: "Yes but name something rare that is highly demanded that is not valuable?"

Honesty and Respect for starters!

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 Posted 10/12/2011  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list
Honesty and respect have value :D. just not physical value .
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 Posted 10/12/2011  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
Original Star Wars figurines. They might be rare and highly demanded by others, but that has a minimal impact to me who just sees them as toys.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list
Well there are lots of things that are valuable to some but not to others. Like the elvis albums, star wars figurines, cars, heck just about anything.

But if someone finds a item valuable and you know where to find that person then the item has value.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
I often have had people who want to sell stuff like baseball cards say "But it's worth $150". My reply is "who offered you $150 for it?" This invariably leads to "But the book says...", at which point I tell them the address of the writer is in the book, I'm sure they'll be happy to buy it from you, have a nice day.

If you want to find what something is "worth", take $100,000 worth of it and try to sell it. If it's PM, you should be able to get $98,000 or so. Now see what offers you get on $100,000 "worth" of something else.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list
Although Nod about star Wars stuff. 2 months ago I bought 6 star wars silver rounds. each round was 1 oz each and theres 6 in the full set. I paid 200 total for them. sold them 2 weeks later for 800 :D.

So sometimes Star Wars can bring you lightyears ahead :D
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 Posted 10/14/2011  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
I bought an entire closet full of *Wars stuff from a collector. Sold a couple 12" unboxed figures for about twice what I paid for everything.
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 Posted 10/14/2011  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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I bought an entire closet full of *Wars stuff from a collector. Sold a couple 12" unboxed figures for about twice what I paid for everything.

Sounds like a nice KA-CHING! to me, Fredd. Good job!
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