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Peace Dollars (A Lot Of Pictures) New Coin Posted

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 Posted 09/08/2011  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
I'm by no means an expert on grading, but I would say EF-40/45 cleaned (wiped).
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 Posted 09/08/2011  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
Nice coins, but too bad someone cleaned them.
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 Posted 09/08/2011  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list

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Nice coins, but too bad someone cleaned them.

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 Posted 09/08/2011  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list
With all the hairline scratches XF45.
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 Posted 09/08/2011  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
These images are all of the same coin, right? The good news is, a 1921 Peace dollar loses relatively less value than some others due to its' popularity. I'm thinking AU Details because of the brushing - relatively little wing detail is lost on the reverse, and similar hair detail is present on the obverse where strike didn't interfere with it.

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 Posted 09/08/2011  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
Nice coin but it is unfortunate that someone decided to clean it. I think XF/AU details. This one is a bit trickier because the date almost always has some strike weakness and the lack of original surfaces.
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 Posted 09/08/2011  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list
I was thinking EF 40. Maybe, 1 step higher or lower. I know that the flat center strike of the obverse of the coin is normal for the year.
I also feel that the numerous hairlines (prior cleaning) distract from primary focal areas.

However, remember this is a macro picture of the coin. It is highly magnified. The coin is lighted by a 200 watt light bulb. The hairlines can not be seen with the naked eye at all and very few under 3x magnification. I don't have a 7x.

The picture you are seeing is more like a 15X to 20X magnification or more.

From what I read, 3x-7x is the minimum and maximum from the ANA Grading Standards.

I have an assortment of magnification I use to look at coins. For a quick glance, I have 3x magnifying glass. For a real detailed examination, I have 20X LED illuminated loupe.

I looked at the coin with the 20x loupe. It looks like it does in the pictures.

So, in all fairness to the coin it is highly magnified and highly illuminated.

I don't know how to take a picture at 7x magnification. My camera doesn't have settings like that. The most detail comes from macro and seems to work best when I am close to a coin.

So take into consideration you are looking at a picture at 2x-3x the "correct"/by the book magnification.

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 Posted 09/09/2011  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list
Also, in case you did not know, you can click on the photo and do ctrl + or ctrl - to increase or decrease the magnification of the picture.
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 Posted 09/09/2011  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
With the understanding that your comments on magnification are quite correct - the images presented are 3x actual size on my monitor - this coin still fits the precise center of what is termed "harsh cleaning" in the numismatic world. Hairlines are not always visible from every angle or even to the naked eye, even in an example this extreme.

The wing is why I feel a little more generous than you do in terms of strict details grade; at EF I expect a little wear to start showing on the lower area of the wing, which your coin does not seem to exhibit. This is, however, only my opinion and I do not consider myself a skilled Peace grader.
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 Posted 09/09/2011  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list
I am trying to learn the most I can about the hobby. I thank all of you for your explanations. They are very valuable to me and there are great number of lurkers that are gaining also. I will post another coin. Please continue to give grade opinions on any coins posted.

Just reference which one, so we all know.
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 Posted 09/09/2011  01:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list
1922
This coin, has what I recently learned, has the "wash" from the mint. I learned that from this forum and thank you for the information. I will try to continue tomorrow. I am having a tooth extracted. I hope to be able to post more pictures and discuss.

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It has bag marks, which is common for these dollars due to being 1000 coin bags.





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 Posted 09/09/2011  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
A nice original 22. MS63 or so, looks like a nice strike.

Addition to the information given in the book - I for one tend to key on the word "PEACE" on the reverse when considering strike quality; it's the first thing to go as strike weakens. That doesn't necessarily bear on grade, as the weakness of that word is well-known.
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 Posted 09/09/2011  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list
This 1922 has about 9 small contact marks on the reverse. It has much better eye appeal in hand than in the pictures. I am hoping to try to capture the eye appeal of coins as I try to get better at photographing coins.
The advantage I have is that I can "see" the coin in hand. If there is not a deduction for the "mint wash". Which I think you guys said it would not be and it might add. I could see this coin as a MS63 or MS64. I think a TPG might even give it a 65. I saw several 1922 MS66 today.

Either, the graders were very generous or this coin is really close to them.
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 Posted 09/10/2011  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list
1922D The pictures are not as nice as the coin. I could not get a very good picture. I think I needed to be closer.

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There is a lot more shoulder feather than this picture shows. I should have used the tripod.

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 Posted 09/12/2011  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list
Giving up all ready? 2 coins? The best are yet to come.
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