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 Posted 09/15/2011  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Nice!, keep them coming. I'm still looking for more of mine.
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 Posted 09/15/2011  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancientcoinguy to your friends list
bobbyhelmet, I think this imitation is trying to depict the same thing yours are.



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 Posted 09/15/2011  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Here is one that is supposed to be a Costantine Argentus.

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 Posted 09/15/2011  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list
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I have no idea what this coin is trying to imitate - maybe a Constantine? Valens? Comments, please.

Edited to add: I did a 180-degree rotate on Photobucket to get the reverse right-side up.
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 Posted 09/15/2011  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
I think it is similar it's another Constantine argentus.
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 Posted 09/15/2011  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list
Hi pls

nice barbarous coin.

I believe though, the image of the reverse is upside down.
If it is turned over you can clearly see two soldiers facing each other with maybe a standard in between and something in the exergue.
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 Posted 09/15/2011  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
The bust certainly looks strange enough to be non-official echizento. I dont know much about these coins so cant really add anything else.


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Something interesting I read about the Tetricus (I+II) coins recently was that the reverse dies were changed far less often than the obverse ones, maybe 3 or 4 times less often. I'd often wondered why Tetricus coins showed such consistent uneven wear across the two sides. Take the example below:

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Tetricus II SPES from around 273/4.

The obverse is almost as struck (my pics dont really do it justice) while the reverse looks worn apart from the text. I think the reverse is also pretty much as struck and this was about as good as production got. Note also how the reverse figure looks almost barbarous as it has obviously been cut quickly and without much care.

I think your coin could be official ancientcoinguy as what is left of the obverse looks to be relatively official (scale/style/size etc), if your interested in investigating further try to take some closer pics and we'll see what we can work out.
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 Posted 09/15/2011  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Nice coin pls, I think echizento is correct about the coin type and Doucet about the orientation - it becomes almost impossible to guess at a depicted emperor though as some of these coins were made by so many of them and its hard to know when the unofficial coins were made.

A whole page of official coins of your type here if you want to see roughly what the die cutter was copying:

http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/sis3/
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 Posted 09/15/2011  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Thought I would sneak another couple of mine in - Again I think these were based on actual official issues, this time Tetrius I Salus coins. Official coin at bottom of post.

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13mm Think the wreath (left hand) and anchor (right hand) is quite clear.

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18mm As above think most of the details clear.

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Salus standing left, holding wreath in right hand, snake rising from small altar on ground feeding; in her left hand Salus holds an anchor.

I've seen wreath exchanged for patera and anchor exchanged for rudder on seemingly exact coins so not sure which, if either is 100% correct.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
These two could be mistaken for official issues, the execution of them is quite professional. I think both are based on Tetricus I Pax coins. The first coin however shows Pax wearing a radiate crown and the flan thickness on the second coin ranges from 1-2mm. Both coins although looking quite official just have too many odd characteristics, official coin at the bottom. If you have any other theories I'd like to know them.

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14mm [IMP TET]RICVS P II II - [P]IIX IIII[G] - Pax wearing radiate?

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15mm - IIVIP C [TETRICVS P F AVG] - [PAX] /\\/[G] - Uneven thickness of flan, 1-2mm.

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Pax standing left, holding branch and sceptre
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 Posted 09/16/2011  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fcrazo to your friends list
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 Posted 09/16/2011  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
This is an interesting one. Lots and detail and it looked almost official. However the legends are reversed, upside down and make no sense.


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On a side note. This is an image of a device that I use to hold coins while I'm cleaning them. It's two sided and can hold the smallest and largest coins. Makes it a lot easier when working on uncleaned coins. It's a watch movement holder.




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 Posted 09/17/2011  05:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Nice coin echizento, is it two victories again? - a handy tool too, might have to get one of those.

These are the last of mine that I think it can be said are based on an official issue. Official coins underneath.

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16mm [C PIV ESV TET]RISVS CAES - SPES P[VBLICA] - Strange font and blunders on obverse and letter spacing on reverse.

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Spes walking left, holding flower in right hand and raising skirt with left hand

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15mm [IMP]ETFT[RICVS P F AVG] - PRINC IVVENT type, could be Tet I or II as beard not clear and this type was made for both. Good copy apart from confused legend.

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Tetricus II standing left, holding branch and sceptre

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12mm [COMES A]VG - tiny coin

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Victory standing left, holding wreath and palmbranch

All official pictures taken from http://www.gallic-empire.com
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 Posted 09/17/2011  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Very nice Bobby, I might have one more. I'll just have to find it.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
I've posted most of the ones I was sure about but still have quite a few that I think could use some opinions / discussion.

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I think both of the above are unofficial.
The top one looks like Claudius II with an alter reverse, not sure what the '-' and 'T' signify, if anything? (11mm)
The bottom coin doesn't look like any of the other Tetricus barbs that I have seen, I think it looks more like a representation of Postumus. I think the reverse could be 'sacrificial items'? (13mm)

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I had these three coins marked down as unofficial but I'm not too sure now.

Top 15mm - Possible legend blunder 'TITRICVS', reverse could be Salus but it doesn't seem to have any text on it at all , quite a small coin. It seems to have a squared off '8' top right on the reverse, is this the remains of a blundered cornucopia?

Middle 20mm - Hilaritas type, everything seems in order but it looks very washed out and soapy. The bust also looks a lot more like Victorinus than Tetricus.

Bottom 18mm - Poor reverse but prob Salus, the style of the obverse doesn't seem official to me. The fonts and letter formations don't seem correct and the proportions of the bust seem wrong. A very good barb?

Opinions very welcome.
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