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1913 $5 Gold

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 Posted 09/16/2011  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schockergd to your friends list
1913-$5-Gold

1913-$5-Gold
1913-$5-Gold

Weight is 8.4grams according to my gram scale.
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09/16/2011 2:59 pm
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 Posted 09/16/2011  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imohtep to your friends list
close up pictures make it look like a counterfit..I'd get this checked out right away if I were you.
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 Posted 09/17/2011  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D to your friends list
Great to see the counterfeit image, thanks for sharing M... I have added this to my fake file..

I couldn't agree more...Get it checked out asap to recoup any monies..
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09/17/2011 02:47 am
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 Posted 09/17/2011  06:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wireman09 to your friends list
Great info and documentation shockergd. Looks to be a conterfeit example in the pic. Do you know if that mark on the O is just found on the 1913 5 dollar conterfeit gold, or are there some 1912 & 1914 5 dollar and 10 dollar conterfeit coins out there?
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 Posted 09/17/2011  07:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lithanial to your friends list
What is the composition of these counterfeits?

Is there a link to counterfeit designs? I have yet to seriously get into coin collecting because of my fears of counterfeiting. I don't think I am experienced enough to make a purchase like that and avoid being suckered. So far my collecting has been hand-me downs and NCLT's only out of fear of counterfeiting.

I have purchased a few dated coins (nothing expensive) in the past from Colonial Acres, any issues with them? I am interested in getting a gold sovereign (dragonslayer) coin as a birthday gift this year since it is a big year for me and I have always wanted one. Any suggestions of where to get this safely?
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 Posted 09/17/2011  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lithanial to your friends list
The fact that this coin is virtually flawless and I would never have been able to tell it is a counterfeit if I was the one purchasing it makes me not want to collect coins anymore.
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 Posted 09/17/2011  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
The composition of the counterfeit (the image I posted) is .4 gold. The weight and diameter are correct. It hails from North Africa circa 1965 approx. This example now resides with the RCMP travelling fake show.
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 Posted 09/17/2011  08:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list
Mr.nickelsguy, have you ever seen one of these counterfeits in a TPG holder?
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 Posted 09/17/2011  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
yup, in an NGC holder. But they are too stupid to talk to a Canadian counterfeit guy......unlike PCGS (chortle)
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 Posted 09/17/2011  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kitkat1858 to your friends list
Boy, these fakes are starting to look way too real. I probably would've just bought that coin, if I'd seen it on ebay, not even questioning its authenticity at all.
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 Posted 09/17/2011  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
What I'm seeing is that the diagonal lines behind the maple leaves, the maple leaves, and the lions' faces are all worn or not minted with enough detail. The surface fields have an odd texture, almost like copper. (Refer to my signature. Don't take my word for it.) Looking closer, there are more worn parts on the highest points, which leads me to believe that it was dropped or moved across purposely on table to wear it down. MS puts it at a collectors range, where they will certainly inspect it thoroughly in hand before purchase. Putting it at AU or EF will make people believe that it is worth bullion value only, and usually not given a second look. Caveat emptor.
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 Posted 09/17/2011  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1945V to your friends list
I would not rely solely on the weight to identify a coin for its gold content.
Tungsten has the same density as gold and has been used to fake gold bars held by the Hong Kong bankers.

http://gold-quote.net/en/articles/f...old-bars.php
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 Posted 09/18/2011  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schockergd to your friends list
I would acid test it but I don't want to destroy it. The auctioneer is a good one so I'm sure we'll work something out, I'm curious though - were $10 1913 pieces counterfeit too? There was another one at this auction that I did not buy.
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 Posted 09/18/2011  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
As I have stated, the compisition is a gold mix......just lower amount than the original. I have seen no 10.00 1913 counterfeits in my travels. The 1913 did not come from China. They are contemperary fakes.
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 Posted 09/18/2011  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schockergd to your friends list
The $5 and the $10 were roughly in the same condition and both sold for about melt, so I guess this means I should have bought the $10 :(
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