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 Posted 09/26/2011  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list

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Here in the USA such chances have increased a lot due to robberies of coin collections due to poor economy.

Actually, rates of burglary have continued to decline (source) in spite of the bad economy. Both violent and non-violent crime are on a steady, long-term declining trend in spite of perceptions to the contrary.
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 Posted 09/26/2011  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Actually, rates of burglary have continued to decline (source) in spite of the bad economy. Both violent and non-violent crime are on a steady, long-term declining trend in spite of perceptions to the contrary.

Hate to burst your bubble but such facts are rather what is known as faked statistics. The hard facts are that in many areas statistics of crimes are buried so as to look better for many reasons. As an example where I live there has been a minimum of 4 to 5 burgleriese on my block alone and not one, not even one, is on the police reports. And yes those were reported. In large cities many people are told that if the robberies are minimum, forget it since it will never be solved and if it was the people robbed would spend so much time in courts, they would end up loosing anyway.
Many coin type robberies are not reported and if they are, almost always told to forget it since you really can't prove what was stolen if anything.
I sure wish your statistics were accurate. Try walking down ny street in Chicago at about midnight.
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 Posted 09/26/2011  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list

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Try walking down my street in Chicago at about midnight

On a similar note, we had a news report today that our police department has put these types of personal robberies on the way back burner. Even to the point of telling the victims we are not going to investigate robberies unless they involve seniors or $20K. And get this, they have a picture of the guy and his license plate. I mean how lame is that. The blame, budget cuts. I'll tell you what, with that kind of news, small time robbery will pay. heck, if no one is even going to bother investigating I think I know where my source of additional cash is going to come from.
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 Posted 09/26/2011  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
Yeah, never believe what published statistics say if they come from any government or news agency, or anywhere for that matter. The raw data behind those stats could be convoluted to say almost anything. Crime is certainly up where I live. Unemployment is significantly higher than published numbers...etc. In fact, almost everyone I know of any level of education, is either unemployed entirely or well underemployed. Myself and my peers are still young (20's), however, am I supposed to believe only 1 in 10 people need work right now. Try 3 in 10, with an additional 3 in 10 need/deserve better work.

back on track.......any coin not intended for circulation should not really ever be in circulation. I know some get there somehow, but the chances of finding one, especially a specific date are extremely remote.
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 Posted 09/26/2011  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list
Administrators, the police dept no exception, have always played with the numbers. Crime stats impact everything from staffing the working shifts to the entire PD and perks that might go with the job. Very political also for the Chief and his boss.

Anyway, back to the OP.

You have a better chance at getting struck by that falling satellite.
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 Posted 09/27/2011  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Yeah, never believe what published statistics say if they come from any government or news agency, or anywhere for that matter. The raw data behind those stats could be convoluted to say almost anything.


When I was in kolidge at Ahia U, the student paper in Athens pointed out that neither the city nor the county had any rapes for three years running. You got 18,000 students and another 12,000 in the county, and I guess they're all saints.

IIRC, Pittsburg had no stolen cars. They're all written up as "joyriding".
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 Posted 09/27/2011  02:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
I understand that statistics can be manipulated, but still, what I am hearing here is "don't believe the data, believe anecdotal evidence and speculation instead".
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 Posted 09/27/2011  03:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Administrators, the police dept no exception, have always played with the numbers. Crime stats impact everything from staffing the working shifts to the entire PD and perks that might go with the job. Very political also for the Chief and his boss.


You should have heard the whining when the city wanted to cut back a few firemen. You'd think the town would burn to the ground the next day. All these union wage heroes are needed, and there's no way mutual support would ever be sufficient.

Once the decision was made, they found enough grants and programs that the net loss was something like one fireman.

Oddly enough, duracell has a program where they provide free batteries to firemen. They point out that many firemen are volunteer. How many? 70%.
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 Posted 09/27/2011  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Maybe we are being to harsh on our law enforcement and judicial system. As an example of how it is working, STATISTICS for the main part of Chicago shows auto thefts for last year have dropped from 50,000 cars/year to only 30,000/year. AND due to so many gun laws drive by shootings are now mainly only done with smaller caliber guns.
Back to finding coins in change. Many have been finding Proof coins in change lately.
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 Posted 09/27/2011  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
Chicago? Pfff, I've walked in Detroit at night many times.


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I understand that statistics can be manipulated, but still, what I am hearing here is "don't believe the data, believe anecdotal evidence and speculation instead".

This. It's how people deal with cognitive dissonance. The facts don't fit with their world-view, which makes them uncomfortable, so they rationalize them away.

Why would crimes be more under-reported now than they were a couple decades ago? The downward trend in burglaries is matched by a decline in violent crimes like homicide. Are we to believe murders are going under-reported also? Why would they be more under-reported now than back in the late 80s when crime rates were higher? Insurance statistics show the same decline. Are victims of burglary just not bothering to make claims on their home insurance? What would cause such a massive increase in under-reporting that it would transform an alleged increase in crime into a decrease?
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 Posted 09/28/2011  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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What would cause such a massive increase in under-reporting that it would transform an alleged increase in crime into a decrease?

Not meaning to make this post into a crime/no crime situation but simply read all the previous replies.
The facts about finding valuable and/or rare or even proof coins in change is NOT due to the Mint putting them there.
Yes in some instances a kid may have gotten into their parents collections. But a great, great deal of those coins popping up in change is due to home robberies, coin store robberies, collectors and dealers being robbed to and/or from a coin show.
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 Posted 09/28/2011  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add COINAHOLIC to your friends list
DJMonty, well checking through my little cubby's for the UK... I found two 1975 1 penny's! So as long as they are circulating, I'd say your chances are pretty good!
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 Posted 09/28/2011  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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What would cause such a massive increase in under-reporting that it would transform an alleged increase in crime into a decrease?


Every time the sheriff runs for re-election, they manage to find their gardener is growing pot in the parking lot.

Why under-report crime? If crime is down, we're doing a great job.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
As has already been mentioned to some extent. In my neck of the woods, budget cuts have caused the police force to lay off so many officers that they don't even respond to crimes anymore unless they are serious. They even admitted this in public statements to news agencies in efforts to garner public support for more funds. They don't even respond to minor assaults (unless one of the involved parties is the one calling), car break ins, simple theft, vandalism etc... 911 has so few employees that it's often busy when you call.

As far as more serious crimes, they do respond but since they also don't have the investigation resources...rapes are written up as assaults unless they are heinous. Strong armed robbery as theft or criminal mischief.

Stats say we're down across the board, except for murder of coarse because you can't call that anything other than what it is. We've had more of those already this year than in the past 25 years and there are 3 months left to go.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
So on the one hand, we've got actual data, compiled over decades by experts on the subject, with a rigorous, published methodology. On the other, we have anecdotes, feelings, hand-waving, and no data whatsoever. As yet, nobody's cited any actual evidence of an increase in crime, or anything to refute the data that shows crime has declined.

Probably some of the proof coins and other oddities you find in change are from stolen coin collections, but they're just as likely inheritances that people don't care about, or Christmas gifts given to people who don't care about coins. Finding proofs in change or roll hunting is pretty uncommon regardless (but not unheard of).
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09/29/2011 12:33 am
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