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Please Help Identify 1600's? Gold? | Halfcrown Coin Weight

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 Posted 05/17/2008  8:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add peterm12772 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Any information about this will help. Best pics I could get. Thank you



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 Posted 05/17/2008  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought gold didn't tarnish like that... ?
Maybe it's brass?

Neat looking.
Wish I could interpret it for you.
I tried, but my eyes aren't like they used to be!

Edit:
It looks awful crude for the 1600s.
Looks as though there was a date on it.
Could that be 1260-something?
Then again, Roman numerals were more common
that far back... Right?
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You probably knew this was there, but I had to clean
the pic up quite a bit to be sure.
There is a medieval knight on a horse with full armor
and regalia. Neat stuff. After getting a clear view
of this, I know it's substantially older than 1600s.
(unless it is a modern fantasy coin)


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 Posted 05/17/2008  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day,
initials CR: Charles or Carolus Rex ? England, Spain, & France, and no doubt others, all had King Charles at various times. Not much help there.

below that: 2s6d - standard abbreviation for two shillings & sixpence, equals a half-crown. That was a common denomination of English coin for hundreds of years.

above CR: can't read these words. Any help or suggestions ?

horseman side: the text around the horse is "HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE", which is still the motto on the British coat of arms.

This looks much rougher than English coins typically do.

I'm wondering if it might be a token made at a provincial mint, during the English civil war, in the 1640s. And, presumably made by someone loyal to the King. Which would explain why it is not gold, nor silver: it might be an emergency coinage during a siege.

Good luck with your research.

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I was thinking the 2 and 6 were part of a date.
I never learned the whole 'shilling, pence, crown' thing.
I guess being part of the Commonwealth has it's advantages!
JK

Great info. It's an interesting piece.
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I appreciate the information guys. It's my first time on here posting and I can see you all know what you are talking about. I can't wait to pick your brain about my other coins I have in my photobucket so far.

Hopefully I will find out what this coin actually is or was and actual date and metal. I did weight it at 14.2 Grams. Hopefully that helps. I think my scale is pretty accurate.
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Quote:
I can see you all know what you are talking about.

Fooled ya!
No, I just thought it was neat, so I threw out some
guesses. Probably way off! Tokens and foreign coins are
not my specialty. I was just browsing this forum to get
some US tokens identified.

Peter of OZ seems to have an excellent grasp on English
history though.

Welcome to the board!
Hope ya stick around.
Dave
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Peter's deductions show that this is not a token, but a British brass coin weight for a Charles I period halfcrown. The "king on horseback" design would help match the weight with the coin it was supposed to weigh the same as. Your weight should weigh around 13.5 to 14 grams. The actual halfcrowns look like this one on Wildwinds:
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These coins were hammered, not machine-struck, and forging and clipping were major problems back then. Coins needed to be weighed, and if necessary be rejected or have their exchange value reduced if the coin was found to be underweight.

These weights themselves are now collectable in their own right. Here's a few on CoinArchives, including one that's an exact match for your type. The text above the CR monogram reads "WITH / OVT GRAYN / ES" - "without grains", meaning (I assume) the weight should match a halfcrown without having to add any additional grain weights.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Thanks for the info Sap. I have some more coins in my photobucket if you wanna look. I might as well start looking to find out what all these coins (tokens, Weights, Misc.) are and what years or type they are and keep them all marked in some kind of order for myself now.
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