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This coin is being offered at a severe discount because of the fingerprint/"toning" on the obverse. Would this be able to be taken care of at NCS or by the ANACs conservation service? Pic  |
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Rest in Peace
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I've never tried to remove such milk spot attacks. This almost looks like applied cameo. Is this coin worth the cost of conservation?"
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Yes, I believe so... It looks more like a fingerprint in the larger picture  It is in a Non PCGS/NGC 65 DMPL Holder |
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Pillar of the Community
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Maybe acetone would help remove fingerprint marks..
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Bedrock of the Community
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No, those fingerprints cannot be removed without removing metal. They are etched into the surface of the coin.
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Thank you very much BH1964
I was wondering why this coin wasn't sent in before.. For anyone interested it is a Ms65DMPL ICG holder and Priced at 445. I realized if it was possible they would've done it before...
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Pillar of the Community
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Do fingerprints constitute a details grade or just lower the coins value?  |
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I don't think they detail grade them, just kills it for a lot of people.. Hence the way lower price than what it should be listed for.
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ICG also has a conservation service. As far as I know, they have been doing it for several years at no extra cost over the submission fee. Mike Fazzari (one of the founders of NCS when he worked at NGC) does the work there. I believe PCGS conserves coins also.
The posters are probably correct. The prints look "set." In my experience, it is best not to put any chems on the coin as very often the prints will get more severe. The do hurt the eye appeal so the grade is lowered. IMO, trade/sell out of it and let the next guy think he can remove them.
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Where is this coin "offered?"
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Not sure if professional conservation will touch it. Only way I know to remove set fingerprints is to dip it in a mix 50/50 mix of commercial silver dip and distilled water very quickly, like 3 seconds tops. However, I've never done it to a proof like morgan and wouldn't risk it ruining the mirrors
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01/29/2016 11:03 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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It's not a details coin, but it kills the value so much it might as well be. The fingerprints would not be nearly as noticeable on non-PL fields; PL/DMPL fields accentuate even the slightest mark or rub or spot, which is why a lot of DMPL's below 63 (or for some well-heeled collectors 64/65) don't bring much of a premium except on better dates/MM's.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
01/29/2016 3:31 pm
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DON'T BUY the coin! If you dip it the white will probably get worse. It would be nice to see the actual coin. I know Randy Campbell works at ICG and he belongs to the Silver Dollar Roundtable. This must be one heck of a Cameo DMPL to get a 65. It does nothing for me.
Just an aside...I don't think a coin with an altered cameo face would get past Randy BUT lets use this as an example of what can happen with some chemical alterations I have seen (Not saying this is one). On occasion, the person who does the alteration gets chemicals on their hands and it is transferred to the coin as a "print" or stains that mimics the appearance of this one. If we had the actual coin, we could look for "dulled-down" bag marks from under the altered surface. On this coin though, the contrasting hits on the cheek are probably fresh contact marks on an original cameo surface.
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