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I would think that is insulting to Mike Byers, and other established major error dealers. Fred Weinberg, Jon Sullivan and other error experts/dealers also attract some very impressive errors.
Just calling as I see it SPP. A number of these "errors" are most certainly "Back door" jobs and are Manufactured "Errors". Just because established major error dealers/experts are selling these doesn't legitimise them one iota. |
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Taiwan
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Maybe Pacificoin can comment on this as we both go back a
few years. To the best of my recollection it was in the late
70's or early 80's that New England Rare Coin Galleries
offered a 1958 Canadian Silver Dollar struck in gold in one
of their auctions. When Canadian authorities got wind of the
sale the coin was pulled from the auction and handed over to
the RCMP with the help of the U.S Secret Service.
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04/01/2016 04:07 am
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The San Francisco mint moved to a different building in 1937 (where it is now). Even if it was the same building, that seems pretty unlikely. I bet if my name were Breen you'd believe my story.  |
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Just because established major error dealers/experts are selling these doesn't legitimise them one iota. My point was not to decide if the errors are legit or not (that tends to be rather obvious in cases like these). I took issue with calling coin error dealers 'fences'... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Knowingly dealing in a product of a questionable nature immediately brings ones reputation into question does it not?
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My point was not to decide if the errors are legit or not (that tends to be rather obvious in cases like these). I took issue with calling coin error dealers 'fences'... I am Sorry, But what else would you call someone that knowingly deals in stolen merchandise ? Because these "Back Door" errors are indeed stolen from the Mint. |
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Canada
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Most spectacular errors has some dubious help in it's creation, or just a natural process of a malfunction in the striking process, as example the 1996 Antique finish Macintosh Apple dollar, was a trial piece that a senior RCM gave to a long term third party repackager for the RCM as a gift and latter the RCM confirmed it with a letter which was sold in the Legacy sale. The more you collect really cool errors in recent dates, the only way to escape the mint is through the front door, the senior management seems to have some leeway, many people believe the dot penny was a special creation of a mint employee, yet it's considered a great rarity. My thoughts are I didn't order these cool errors that pop up ever so often, if the price is right enjoy them. |
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@ Everest , I believe you could be referring to a 1970 gold Manitoba Dollar. Also don't forget the gold 25 cents struck on the German 20 mark gold piece that was around at the same time. The Kaiser must have been very proud.
I have very little time , patience , or respect for these so called mint errors and the people who deal in them.
While we are at it .........double struck 1967 halves and dollars, diving geese, 1966 small beads dollars......all trucked out the mints back door to a very very few select coin dealers of the day..
Just drooling at the chance of a 1967 Twenty dollar coin struck in proof , Platinum. Sarcasm fully intended.
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Those are some amazing errors. Mixed feelings. mint master and higher ups in the crown corporation having the ability to have off metal GOLD strikings done and kept for their enjoyment is similar to the Dingwall gum fiasco. It was gum, but it exposed a culture of entitlement. The public should not pay for items completely unrelated to furthering the business of the mint. If they do have the ability to keep such items they should be paid for out of pocket. If not, the coins should be returned after being used for what ever the business intent the special strike was utilized for.
Striking errors are one thing, can't assume they were struck and snuck out, but possessing what should be nickel coinage struck on gold is not right imo. Unless the gold is accounted for and or the gold value in the strike was paid for out of pocket by said higher up. Otherwise, the Canadian public footed the bill so a higher up could personally posses an expensive oddity and possibly sold them for money into the collector community. Imo it's similar to the janitor stealing gold from the mint.
Just my opinion.
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Taiwan
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Pacificoin: That is it a 1970 gold Manitoba Dollar. Thank you for setting me
straight. Some of these off metal strikes and so called errors are nothing
more than criminal acts perpetrated by mint employees for profit.
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Canada
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There is a big difference with the Manitoba gold dollar, it was proven in a trial that rogue employees created these pieces and got them out, these two pieces could be test strikes, but agree they should not have left the mint. There was a recent auditor report regarding the RCM allowing spouses to fly and enjoy meetings around the world that in the long run cost us the taxpayers way more than a couple oz. of precious metals. |
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Golden days , my friends .Golden Days!  ......I try soooooo hard to be non political ! |
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In the early seventies I had two job offers one at the mint and one at Atomic Energy in South March. I took the latter because it was closer to Arnprior. Wish now I taken the job at the mint.  |
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Golden days , my friends .Golden Days! Doh! |
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Knowingly dealing in a product of a questionable nature immediately brings ones reputation into question does it not? No, it does not. Certainly not without proof that such items were, in fact, stolen... Certainly, once they are sold in a public auction within Canada, basically, they are fair game. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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