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Are Bulk World Coin Autions Worth It?

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 Posted 07/16/2008  7:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add numismaniac64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I decided to take a look at some world coin auctions on ebay. There are as much bulk world coins as there are bulk Wheat cent auctions. I assume the sellers get them in the same way. I'm wondering if there is a possibility that they have been searched for silver or any rare denominations. Since there is so much coin, even if they did search them, would there be some good coins that slipped through the cracks? If any of you have won any of the bulk world coin auctions, please share your experiences.
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 Posted 07/16/2008  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can bet they've been searched for silver, if not dates.

When Yurrup switched over to the €, old coins were returned to the central banks. At the time, I did a calculation of just the coins worth a nickel or less from four of the member nations that would be returned for replacement. It came out to 130,000 tons, or 3000+ semi loads. Even if a dealer were to buy in 10 ton lots, he'd have 14 different denominations, millions of each one.

For complete calculations, search deja for euro central bank group:rec.collecting.coins author:fred author:a. author:murphy
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 Posted 07/16/2008  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismaniac64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's pretty interesting! So, it is safe to say, for that 3 pound grab bag of world coins, it would basicly have more raw metal melt value than collector value. I will be steering clear from them. Thanks Fredd!
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 Posted 07/16/2008  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been very disappointed in the bulk coin lots I've purchased. Full of British new pennies, euro cents and small denomination coins of very little value. I think all these sellers get the coins from some giant wholesaler somewhere.
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 Posted 07/16/2008  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Myst to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got some that were tagged as being from German banks from the Euro switch and people turning them in from other countries etc and had gotten a nice variety of coins from many different countries. But I also got another from a coin dealer that had lots of copper euros (almost 1/3 or more of the batch). So it's up to you if you wanna take the chance, I'd recommend looking for someone that's selling from their own collection or someone who's just selling coin lots as opposed to a regular coin dealer thats also selling lots and see how you do.

It was a lot of fun getting to go through all the coins and identify them, look for the best examples etc. I didn't find any silver in the lots except those that mentioned specifically it had silver, but I did find a few coins with some minor value maybe $5-$15 and a lot of coins to start off my world collection.
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I paid way too much for five pounds of coins from what was billed as an estate sale, but it was a nice eclectic mix, although it, too, included several dozen Euro cents, three or four slugs, and one "railroaded" cent (and an '82 USA cent). However, although the seller crowed that he had spotted some 1800's dates, there was nary a 19-century coin; in fact, the oldest was a holed '59 UK penny. Perhaps the most valuable coin was a 10,000-zloty Polish coin - worth perhaps $15 (unfortunately, not the $4,800 it could have been worth at today's exchange rate - danged devaluation, anyway). Since I'd already sent positive feedback immediately after receiving the package, all I could do was to scold the seller when he e-mailed me to invite me to bid on another, similar offering, telling him to be a little more careful with his descriptions. Never heard back from him, of course.
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 Posted 07/17/2008  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ElleKitty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think I'd trust ebay right now, buying bulk lots, but I've had some very good luck buying bulk coins at my local dealer's shop. Granted, location can have a lot to do with this and I live in San Antonio TX, not a small rural town; but this year alone I've picked up Portugese Guinea and Germany's Kiaochou in bulk lots. I pay about $5 a pound for coins that are sometimes searched, and sometimes not. I am fortunate in that this particular dealer only has one worker at all interested in World coins. The rest of them just don't know what they're letting slip away.

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 Posted 07/17/2008  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It all depends on what you expect and where you get your coins from. If you don't mind common coins or low-value coins, then it can be great fun to sort through them with a child, if you're just starting out in world coins, it's also a very valuable experience. That being said, though, I would not pay more than $5/lb for world coins, and with rare exception, don't expect silver. The last bulk lot I purchased did have silver, and had 19th century coins, but only a small handful of each. I've bought bulk lots 4 times, and enjoyed going through them with my kids (but I would have enjoyed it alone, too). My experiences:

1) - most expensive lot I purchased, almost 30% were new British pennies, outside of that, mix was decent with about 50% Europe, 50% the rest of the world. About a dozen tokens, and a half dozen US/CDN coins mixed in.

2) - $4/lb, good mix, plenty of French, but not overwhelmingly, excellent mix of Central America and the Caribbean.

3) - same source as #2, but this time it had plenty of Italian, but not overwhelmingly. Mix this time was more broad across the globe. This one had some that I didn't expect to find: Transnistra, Falkland Islands, Kazhakstan, for example.

4) - new source, must have come from the Bundesbank originally, as there were no more than 3 or 4 German coins. This is the one with some silver and some 19th century. I also got a number of coins I didn't have previously, such as a good selection from Yugoslavia and Iceland for example, and the occasional coin from Malta and Cyprus, among a few other not-so-common places. Coins were mostly European, but they weren't limited to recent issues at all. No Euro coins in this batch.

If your expectations aren't too high going in, or you don't mind getting a bunch of common coins while you look for that one strange/unique/exciting coin, then you'll do alright, but pick your dealers carefully, as there are a lot that will stick you with junk. With the exception of my first lot, I've been pretty fortunate, but again, I'm not looking for anything rare or expensive.
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 Posted 07/17/2008  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my take on bulk lots from ebay:

Generic bulk lots from dealers who sell large quantities of generic lots are a good way to fill out a collection, but don't expect to see any silver or older coins that have value. These people are in the coin business and have cherry picked the lots.

If you're starting an OFEC collection there are several dealers of UNC bulk lots with large variety. It's a quick way to check 50-100 countries off your list.

If you're looking for value there are plenty of deals to be had on ebay. It's not uncommon to find silver for less than melt or bulk lots with some spectacular coins. You just need to know what to look for.
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