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Australian 5 Pound Star Note - Opinion?

 
 
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 Posted 07/08/2019  06:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is on eBay for $6,950
223392403698




Here is another one for sale (not eBay) for $5,000



I wonder if any hawkeyed note collectors can spot the problem with the first note?

Opinions most welcome...
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 Posted 07/08/2019  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sir John Franklin has an interesting part in Canadian history.
He disappeared while leading an expedition, that was trying to find a route for the North West passage.
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 Posted 07/08/2019  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what a good thing to look out for these types of notes?
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 Posted 07/08/2019  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Sir John Franklin has an interesting part in Canadian history.
He disappeared while leading an expedition, that was trying to find a route for the North West passage.


Part of British history too, the American explorer Elisha Kane authored a few books about his expeditions to find Franklin, and they are among the best books I've read.

https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL1...ha_Kent_Kane






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07/08/2019 10:46 pm
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 Posted 07/09/2019  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
what a good thing to look out for these types of notes?


Experience comes with exposure to many genuine examples.
Authenticity determiners might be overall impact and quality of print and artwork.

>Quality is detail, fineness, clarity, colour & condition.
>Indicators are texture, alignment, size, thickness, type of paper/cloth, and if security features are present.
These banknotes have both overt and covert security.

In this case the quality is definitely a factor in my decision to raise this as suspicious - it has multiple issues.

I could write a mini novel here on this but forgers over the last century have utilised many tricks, some clever and imaginative - some not so.

Notes have been made by bleaching paper and reprinting - [watermark retained], also I know one example where the forger obtained a century old book and tore out the blank back page and used that that to print on to.

Fluorescent ink and multi-tone watermarks are difficult to counterfeit but it hasn't stopped people trying.

Whilst lithographic, intaglio etc print technologies were seldom available to forgers, they found somewhat convincing workarounds.

Australia had a large $10 note counterfeiting event back in 1966 and they were reasonably good fakes complete with watermark and metallic thread.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...8d2dc3da07b5

https://insidestory.org.au/for-the-love-of-money/

Even the new polymer notes have been forged by using sophisticated printers - it's an ongoing battle.

Texture cannot be visually gauged by a photograph, so in this case all I can do is look at obvious visual clues:

This is detail of a real Australian 5 note:




Firstly the boomerang and text fading in 'Australia' drew my attention, but it's more than that.

I'd like to see this note and have a close look.
For now I feel justified in creating this post.
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07/09/2019 11:15 pm
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 Posted 07/22/2019  04:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serenitystan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"WARNING! Do not buy that five pound star note from that Ebay seller. You will be sorry...
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 Posted 07/23/2019  07:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
"WARNING! Do not buy that five pound star note from that Ebay seller. You will be sorry...


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07/23/2019 10:24 pm
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