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My First Animal On A Coin.

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 Posted 12/27/2019  11:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Looking at the beautifully crafted animals on the coins in the forum, I realised that I didn't have any. This Julianus II "the Apostate" came my way, so now I have one!

Julian II AE1. DN FL CL IVLIANVS PF AVG, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust rt / SECVRITAS REIPVB, Bull standing rt., two stars above. Mintmark palm branch-ASISC-palm branch. Siscia 28mm
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 Posted 12/27/2019  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a good one, Jim. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 12/27/2019  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A more scarce Julian II coin - nice details remaining - good job
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 Posted 12/27/2019  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice Julian II
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 Posted 12/27/2019  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. I suppose the bull is appropriate for the first one, as I was born under the Taurus star sign.

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 Posted 12/28/2019  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice looking coin Jim ....
This type can get quite expensive so a good find.

I've yet to acquire a coin of the last Pagan Emperor and this reverse design is at the top of the list......Congrats Paul
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 Posted 12/28/2019  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Paul, it was more of a stumbled-upon than anything else.

There was a Julia Domna coin that looked to be in my price range, and it was listed as "Silver denarius roman imperial coins". I checked the seller's other auctions, and the Julian II was listed as "Unresearched coin". Probably because of the listing title, there wasn't a lot of interest shown and I got it for a very reasonable price.

Just lucky I suppose.
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 Posted 12/30/2019  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My second animal reverse. This time a very well crafted horse grazing, but it's a great pity that the legend is so poor. The coin was sold as "Valerian, 253 - 260 AD. Bronze 20mm. Alexandria in Troas. Laur. bust rt. Rev. Horse grazing rt."

However no matter how I try, I can't get the Valerian legend to fit in with what is on the coin. In fact I don't see anything that looks like a "V". It appears to be a Gallienus coin. Holding the coin in various positions against a strong light it appears to read IMP LICIN GALLIENV, but that legend does not seem to appear on this coin type.

I've checked though Troas, Alexandria, in Wildwinds. I've also looked through Gallienus net, which includes Gallienus, Gallienus Provincials, Valerian I, Valerian I Provincials, Mariniana, Salonina, Salonina Provincials, Valerian II, Valerian II Provincials, and Saloninus. I've also looked through Pair com, but nothing seems to match, especially the portrait.

Anyone?

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 Posted 12/30/2019  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See: http://coinproject.com/search_commo...ubmit=Search

If the link doesn't work, go to coinproject.com and set the advanced search parameters to IMP LICINI GALLIENV for the obverse legend and horse for the reverse design.
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 Posted 12/30/2019  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It certainly does look like it is Gallienus rather than Valerian.

Thanks again Bob.
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 Posted 01/03/2020  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My third animal reverse has an animal (a horse) on the obverse too. I like these little coins very much, and the fascinating history behind them.

AE15 Magnesia ad Maeandrum - Ionia Magistrate ΜΟΙΡΑΓΑΜΩΝ. 220-200 BC. Obverse: Helmeted horseman prancing right, holding couched spear. Reverse: Bull butting left. ΜΟΙΡΑΓ-ΑΜΩΝ in exergue. Reverse Inscription: MAΓΝΗ.
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 Posted 01/03/2020  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Neat horse/bull combo there, Jim. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 01/03/2020  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bob. The simplicity of some of these small coins is quite beautiful.

Horses seem to very prevalent in this area, also the fore-part of a horse and the one handled cups, as on this coin of a slightly earlier era. Does anyone know the significance of the fore-part of a horse, or the one handled cup? Thanks.

AE17 Kyme - Aeolis Magistrate ΠΕΔΙΕΥΣ (Horse fore-part / One handled cup). 320-250 ΒC. Obverse: Fore-part of horse right. Obverse Inscription: KY - ΠΕΔΙΕΥΣ. Reverse: One-handled cup, monogram as per BMC at left.
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 Posted 01/05/2020  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coins Jim!....Not my collecting area but can really see the appeal..

The bull looks like its being wrestled to the ground by a person but thats probably just the yoke?

Here's a link you might find interesting. It doesn't actually give you the meaning of Kyme's Cup but a little info not just on this symbol but others too....Paul
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/m...l_coins.html
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 Posted 01/05/2020  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers Paul. The images don't bring out the best in the coins, and though they are a small diameter, they are pretty thick and heavy for their size. They do feel really good in the hand.

I'm getting further away from the late Roman bronzes, and seem to be on another journey with no particular destination in mind!

I've noticed that all the coins with images of bulls, the description is given as butting left, or butting right. However looking at the coin above (Magnesia ad Maeandrum) more closely, it does indeed look as if the bull was on it's knees. Not the stance it would be in for butting. It sure does look like a person trying to wrestle it to the ground as well. Nice pick-up.

The article on the link you provided is really interesting, and extremely useful. It is another link I'll keep for further reading. I do have another Kyme coin as mentioned in the article, and has an eagle on one side and the cup on the other. Unfortunately the coin I have has the eagle with it's head chopped off!

AE11 Kyme - Aeolis (Eagle / Cup). 350-250 BC. Obverse: Eagle standing right. Reverse: K-Y to left and right of cup with one handle. Diameter: 11 mm. Weight: 1.2 gr. Sear #: 4186.

Many thanks, Jim
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 Posted 01/07/2020  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What was I thinking by missing this out? A she wolf is still an animal after all. Every Roman bronze collector will have a Commemorative with the she wolf suckling Romulus and Remus! This one is from the Trier mint, with TRS dot in exergue.

I found two references to the coin as RIC 529. The first is TRS dot, but the obverse is different. The second reference is a similar obverse and reverse, but the mint mark is TRP dot. Anyway, here it is.

City Commemorative AE3. 17mm. VRBS ROMA, Obverse: bust of Roma left wearing plumed, visored and crested helmet and ornamental mantle. Reverse: wolf and twins left. Mintmark TRS dot.
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