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 Posted 12/03/2020  10:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add What91001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

I inherited a Chinese coin collection from my grandfather in 2001...

From 1931-1989 my GGF & GF collected coins-stamps in Asia while working for Union Oil. They given many coins, they also traded for and purchased coins as well. 5*10-25 cents up to $1-$3 at the most.

it seems that there would not be much to gain by counterfeiting coins during this same period 1931-1989.

Nothing has been added to he collection since 89.

Is the counterfeiting something new?

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 Posted 12/03/2020  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no counterfeiting is not something new.... Numismatic forgery probably early 1920-30 start not too sure. As for Chinese there are many modern fakes, but that doesn't mean there aren't any older fakes its just that the prices of coins have increase a lot for the Chinese market in modern times maybe from 2000 onwards.
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 Posted 12/03/2020  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chinese been counterfeiting coins for ages, some are sold as fantasy pieces for tourists visiting oversea, and a lot of counterfeits have knowingly sold to unsuspecting, uneducated investors/collectors.

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 Posted 12/03/2020  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what the is GGF?
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 Posted 12/03/2020  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fefimo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 12/03/2020  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


i see and GF is grand father. :D very use to it being girlfriend that's all ^_^
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 Posted 12/03/2020  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add What91001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Today I wanted to get a few coins authenticated so I went to a local coin dealer to start the process.

He looked at my coins and said all six were fake...

I am confused...



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 Posted 12/03/2020  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When it comes to Chinese coins, it is often the case, that the knowledge of LCS proprietors is limited. It would not surprise me if your coins are counterfeit, nor would it surprise me if they were not. Probably worth posting clear pics of each coin here for the opinion of the experts.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add What91001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, will do, Thanks
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 Posted 12/04/2020  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Chinese have contemporarily faked their own cast cash coins over the centuries, and if they were of good metal weight, they would have passed into circulation without any problem.

It becomes a moot point if these coins can also be considered genuine. This category of Chinese cast cash coins can be very difficult to tell apart from genuine official issues. In modern times, I am still not easily able to tell them apart, either.

My defense against this sort of situation is to accept them as genuine, but only pay a very low nominal price for them anyway. In this manner, I used to buy coins of the T'ang Dynasty (AD607-907) for less than 50 Cents each, 30 years ago, when I was actively acquiring a cast cash collection, that now covers all Dynasties and most Emperors. Then, I was using Schjoth as my guide book. I still have it.

Coins of the T'ang Dynasty were made in truly industrial quantities, so even now, I would expect to obtain even genuine examples cheaply.
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 Posted 12/04/2020  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add What91001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I heard that in some cases the fake ends up becoming more valuable than the original like the Glico Tenpo.





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 Posted 12/04/2020  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add What91001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the most valuable coin I have is a Trial coin with Fujian Sheng Zao (Trial coins with Fujian Sheng Zao (Chinese: #31119;#24314;#30465;#36896;), Min Sheng Tong Yong (traditional Chinese: #38313;#30465;#36890;#29992;.

About 1/4 down..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_(Chinese_coin)

If it is real, of course. The same coin auctioned for 130,000 RNB

http://data.shouxi.com/item.php?id=512949

Seems hard to believe, any insight you can provide on this coin would be great

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