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Are These Drachms Fakes?

 
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 Posted 01/18/2021  10:11 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add prsferreira to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Dear friends,
What do you think of these drachms? They seemed to me to be fakes, because they have marks on the edge ... what do you think?
Thanks!


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 Posted 01/18/2021  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Paulo, you posted the same picture of the obverses twice. Did you mean to also post a picture of the reverses?

It's challenging to assess from a frontal group shot like this. I agree, though, that the edges on some suggest casting. Whether the others - the ones for which we can't see the edges clearly - are genuine is impossible to tell. The lot could be a combination of legit coins and stinkers. Is the seller on the fake sellers lists?
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 Posted 01/18/2021  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prsferreira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Bob! I appreciate the fast response. No, friend, I received the image of a seller on facebook. That mark on the edge ... can a legitimate coin have marks like that?

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01/18/2021 11:41 am
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 Posted 01/18/2021  11:56 am  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know that backdrop looks like a Heritage Auction backdrop.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/ancient-lo...bnail-071515

And here is someone on eBay with a similair backdrop. I don't know either dealer at all. Just trying to find the image.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Coin-Lot...AOSw9-ld5VEL
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 Posted 01/18/2021  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those marks are concerning to me, Paulo. So are the following.



I hesitate to condemn the lot without better pictures of each coin, though. I suppose some of these issues could just be reflections or irregularities in the edges of the flans. Can the seller send you detailed pictures of edges?
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 Posted 01/18/2021  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at the reverses, if there were fakes that would be a heck of a lot of different dies. And the reverses are all really different in terms of artifacts, scratches, encrustation. Considering how many of these are are left on the planet, and thus how little they often sell for compared to other Greek drachms, it would almost cost an artist more to make these all differently then to just buy real ones. I heard stories these were still used accepted as currency well into modern times. The guy should just take edge photos for you and that would settle this fast enough.
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 Posted 01/18/2021  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prsferreira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Friends, I appreciate the comments. They are excellent reflections. I will ask the seller for images of the borders and send them here. Thanks!!
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 Posted 01/18/2021  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If they are fakes someone with through a lot of trouble to produce different dies. As Bob has pointed out there are a few that raise questions. For the most park without having them in hand to examine more closely I believe they genuine, with possibly one or two fakes seeded into the lot.
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