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1995-P Jefferson Nickel With Sloped Or Grooved Rim.

 
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 Posted 06/06/2023  10:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is another example of those strange nickels with the rim slope or grooves. You can clearly see the double rim running around the entire outside edge, both obverse and reverse. There is a step feel to the edge, almost like a groove or right-angle notch. This time, I got a better picture of the edge under magnification.

Original sloped rim 2000-P: http://goccf.com/t/446364












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 Posted 06/06/2023  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it will be difficult to rule out damage by some type of machine, such as a casino slot machine, coin counter, etc.
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I know that PMD is a possibility. However, why would a coin counter cut a uniform shelf along the entire circumference of a nickel? If we are going with that theory, there seem to be a number of flaws—the precision, the uniformity, the symmetry on both sides, the lack of any other wear (on the 2000-P).

Wear, even from a machine, would leave a rounded edge, no?

I think my original guess remains a better working theory. The planchet didn't have a good rim. When the dies smashed into the planchet, they moved the displaced metal into a false edge. That's why the shelf is flat, because it's the original low rim. The cliff face appears relatively flat because the striking pressure falls off enormously where the die ends.

If we can identify a post-mint mechanical process that would produce this effect cleanly, uniformly, and precisely, then I think that would become the new leading theory.
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not wear but a scrape from the machine
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So apparently this has been discussed before on these very forums:

http://goccf.com/t/312798 (weak strike pressure)
http://goccf.com/t/362792 (finning?)

The first one looks very much like this coin. I also spotted a phenomenon called "railroad rims" on Google which I am now going to investigate.
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 Posted 06/06/2023  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found an almost identical case on Coin Talk. The answer from Mike Diamond:


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As others have indicated, the strike wasn't strong enough to completely obliterate the original beveled junction between the planchet's proto-rim and edge.


He further stated that it doesn't qualify as an error, but is worth keeping for educational value.
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https://www.error-ref.com/?s=Weak+strike


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A weak strike will show a poorly developed or absent design rim.
A weak strike will retain some, most, or all of the planchet's original proto-rim.
A weak strike will retain the beveled rim/edge junction of the planchet.
The edge will be weakly struck and relatively narrow in a weak strike.
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 Posted 06/06/2023  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
given that we see it most often on nickels, which have the hardest alloy, an insufficient strike makes sense
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The false rim also seems to happen on pennies. Weak strikes on the reeded edge coins are probably much easier to catch at the mint, because weak or missing reeds can be seen unaided.
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