Morgan Grading

....and we're talking about sliders that have marks that elude most of us amateur's? ....and a TPG just did what to what coin?

Not inferring that you are an amateur at all it's just I'm trying to see through your rather cryptic offering. Unless you're venting?

OK, some times you need to hit me with a 2x4 to get my attention.

Metalman is on the same page here, The fact that the value or $$dollar$$ differences between plastic and raw coins is obvious,,the value between TPG plastic is also different....so Grading is a big part of the game..it's these companies that were formed do to the over grading standard practices of dealers. that need, to have accurate
grades that they all could count on, buying without seeing the coin in hand. While this is why the TPG's came about, its obvious the each have there own grading standards, which in reality results in different $$$$ for the same grade ratings....depending on who's grading the coin. If you had a stock and wanted to sell it, you couldn't be happy to only get 70% of its value, this is often the case when trying to sell your coins to dealers...
I was thinking this thread would be about looking at the top TPG's and looking at what there criteria for grading is, what they see and what effect that has on the overall grade of the coins.
I myself as well as many of you have more books then we ever need about grading. but even as we look at the reply's to posted coins here, there is quite a difference in the replied grades by our own individuals who see coins on a regular basis..
reviewing the TPG's standards could be a great subject and help others to buy good coins and how to stay away from bad ones..

you have hit on the many issues of the grading issue, and that is why I believe its ever so important to KNOW the grading ropes, especially since TPG's have there own discrepancies over the past years, to the point now where one must have a coin beyond the given grade example, submitting in today's standards an average MS63 coin could likely yield an MS62 final grade..it must be better than MS65 (ms65+) to make MS65..
we have all heard how they are tightening up there standards, and hold many of there old slabbed coins which wouldn't make the grade today,And I don't mean ALL coins, just that there were many as you noted by the large commercial submittles where they really wouldnt make the grade.

The plain truth is that when it comes to selling coins whether to the general public, you will find that there is probably an equal distribution among the collectors who favor raw coins over TPG coins. Those seeking raw coins usually want to put them in a folder and/or try to make some money on their own by purchasing higher grade coins for lower grade money. Collectors who seek TPG coins usually are doing so to protect against counterfeiting and/or that's how they like them. Their opinion usually is that the TPG plastic at least certifies their value for future deals they may want to make. I for one don't mind the TPG coins but will only pay graysheet prices for coins in PCGS, NGC, or ANACS holders. ICG is OK, but you generally can't get your money out of them. Also, what one receives often also depends on whether or not they are purchasing a "key date" or semi-key date coin. That's my $.02. Have a great day.

A very wise, old collector once told me: "Buy the coin, not the holder." If I can get it in the TPG slab, great, if not, Great! We seem to be hung up on that Holder. MS65 is still MS65 and there will always be disagreements between grading parties. Stand fast on your convictions when grading and don't be afraid to learn when the opportunity presents itself.

I've been wrong before and will be again. It seems we're making "much ado about nothing". But that's just MHO.