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Constantius II With Write Up From Seller.

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Constantius II

I really like this coin, but I already have one. The differences are in the campgates and mint, so it's okay by me to keep. The difference from the other one is the camp gate and mint. https://goccf.com/t/492317

There is a gouge across the camp gate. Does that negate the value or just make it more intriguing?
I paid $30 for this coin. What I like about it is that the strike is well centered and readable.The eye appeal is good and the seller grades it as Choice Fine.

Joanne

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There is a gouge across the camp gate. Does that negate the value or just make it more intriguing?

Well, it's post-mint damage, so it will reduce, but not negate, the market value comapred with an otherwise identical coin without the gouge.

Very often, when coins are dug up, they are scraped or gouged by whatever tool was used to dig them up. Or sometimes, a coin might receive such damage while still buried underground (for example, if ploughing the field above shatters or disturbs a buried hoard-pot).
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How do you know that it is a Constantius II versus a Constantius?
I don't see a II on the legend.
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The Romans never enumerated their emperors. For the (quite numerous) instances where different emperors have the same name, you need the wider context of the coin to determine which specific emperor is on any given coin.

In this instance, Constantius I (also known as Constantius Chlorus) ruled in an earlier time-period, and the "campgate" coins had not yet been invented. Constantius III ruled much later in time, long after the "campgate" series had ceased. So, a coin with an emperor named "CONSTANTIVS" and a campgate must be Constantius II.

For further evidence, there's always the emperor's names and titles. The emperor on this coin is named "Flavius Julius Constantius"; neiher of the other two contenders have "Julius" (or "IVL" as it appears on this coin) on their coins.

In practice, it's even more complex as it might seem, because sometimes, different emperors with the same name are known by a different name in the history books. For example: "Antoninus Pius". The first emperor by that name was widely regarded as a "good ruler". The two subsequent emperors of that name were widely regarded as "bad rulers", so rather than sully the name of the good ruler, historians of the day (and continuing to the present) call those subsequent emperors "Caracalla" and "Elagabalus" instead of "Antoninus Pius II" and "Antoninus Pius III". But this does mean you will never find a coin with "Caracalla" as the emperor's name; all of Caracalla's coins say "Antoninus".
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There is a gouge across the camp gate. Does that negate the value or just make it more intriguing?


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Well, it's post-mint damage, so it will reduce, but not negate, the market value comapred with an otherwise identical coin without the gouge.


empty_pockets, these are the trade-offs collectors make. We start with "I would like an example of that coin for my collection." That might be based on careful analysis of the coinage of certain place or era, or maybe pure impulse.
Then the self-negotiation begins!
"Let's see ... to get a beautiful example would cost (fill in the blank). But I would need to save up for two months without buying anything else "
"Or, I could accept an example with a flaw or two and get it now!"

I always admire the collectors who know their objectives and proceed with patience. But I'm not always that disciplined.

And don't forget there is always the opportunity to upgrade later. Yes, you usually won't break even when you sell (not least because of shipping cost). But for popular types, there will always be demand at each condition. I just learned a lesson with an upgrade that I got at a lower price than my first purchase of the type a grade or two lower, some years ago (i.e. an impatient and not-so-well researched purchase).
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Constantius I had campgates; but they were issued only in silver. Below is an example (not mine)




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I think that your coin is actually from Cyzicus with a mintmark of SMKE, making it RIC VII Cyzicus 53, with a workshop not listed in RIC, though several are known.

https://www.notinric.lechstepniewsk...cyz53_e.html

The difference between the H for Heraclea and the K for Cyzicus is sometimes difficult to discern (and when in doubt, cataloguers tend to default to Heraclea, since it is more common) but the K is formed with a straight line and then a sideways V is attached.


here is a Cyzicus coin rotated so that you can better see the straight line with a V


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and a Heraclea coin, with an H formed in a completely different way.


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