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The Power Of The Lincoln Copper Cent!

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I also keep coppers as well
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Since there are many, many people that save change all the time, there will be for a long, long time pennies and nickels popping up in change. When someone needs money they usaully reach in for that jar, can, box, etc of coins accumulating somewhere in their homes. Banks, stores, etc too have piles of change laying around that eventually will be dumped back into circulation. And if all the kids piggy banks were emptied, the market would be flooded with way to much coinage.
As to any states creating their own coins. Not sure how it is by you, but by me it wouldn't make any difference. Not to many have ever seen a half dollar, $2 bills, Gold coins, etc. So if a Arkansas, Nebraska or Ohio made coin was attempted to be use, it would just get used as long as it wasn't the size of a baby dollar coin or half dollar. By me it would be easier to buy something with Pesos than US money. And if states did start making their own coinage, so what. Most people have no idea were coins are made anyway. Don't believe it? Just ask the average NON coin collector that question.
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Although it has seems to have corrected itself, please do not make this thread a political discussion.
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Jbuck,

You are absolutely right,
My sincerest apologies to wulffy11 for getting his thread off topic.

Sometimes it is difficult for me to discuss coin saving for the content of their metal above their face value.
Without getting into their use in commerce somehow trading for their metal content and not their face value.

Again My Sincerest Apologizes
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No real harm. It is easy to get off topic, especially when political events can affect the hobby we love.

My post was a gentle reminder; I was just trying to keep people from taking your side-discussion "to the next level."
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They will slowly disappear from circulation but always be around just like the 300 million mintage wheat pennies commonly found now. My guess is if they change the composition again they would disappear faster.
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I agree with "everything"
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The US Mint is reviewing this heavily, on changing the composition of the cent and nickel to reduce the cost, and we should hear something by the end of this year or early next year.

Since it is impossible to make a cent at a profit, even if the material is free, look for their solution to be to eliminate it or limit the mintage of it each year. Like only make a billion cents or less per year. That way they can cap their losses and cover them from seigniorage from other coins. Those are their only realistic choices.
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or limit the mintage of it each year. Like only make a billion cents or less per year.

Not a good idea. If they eliminate the cent there will be an initial cent shortage that will work itself out in a couple of months as the cents disappear and merchants give up on trying to get cents and simply start rounding. To keep introducing another billion cents each year will simply keep stretching out the shortage period where there won't be enough cents to really meet demand but too many to encourage people to give up and round. In short it will only prolong the "agony" period, and do so indefinitely.
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I agree with Conder, we need to quit minting them outright.

My only exception, of course, is for mint sets. The premium will make it worthwhile.
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I agree they should be stopped minting too, but I was thinking that is a possibility to reduce the mintage. It might not be ideal as not minting, since they might want to gradually stop after a few years of reduced minting.

Eliminate isn't the best word, since they'll always be legal tender. I think you meant to say eliminate minting them?

And in 20 years after they stop minting them, they'll pop up every once in a while for someone to spend 10 of them, instead of a dime and the cashier will look at you like, what are these?
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I'm sick of the cent, and ready for the gov't to get rid of them.
Yes, I keep copper cents!
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In the 1960's we went through the Great Coin Shortage that was (falsely probably) blamed on collectors in part, when silver became worth more at melt than the coin value it represented. Silver was pulled out of circulation by the masses since it had always been considered a precious metal and individuals had ways of achieving remuneration above face value. Many just held the coins waiting for increased prices for silver.

We don't see that level of interest in the current base metal coins outside of collectors like us or a few of the survivalists bloggers. Most "civilians" out there could care less for several reasons.

First, the value to costs ratio is way too low, even for the copper cent. By the time one collects enough coins to melt into ingots, pays for the work (or invests in the equipment) any profit is long gone.

Second, there are no easy and profitable ways to convert copper cents to easily spendable money like there is for silver and gold. Walk into a local coin store with a few hundred mixed LMC's from 59 through 82 and try and get anything more than face value and you will be sorely disappointed. Same goes for nickels.

You will not see any huge rush of the masses saving nickels or cents for the metal value unless copper, nickel and/or zinc rises to price levels rivaling silver, it just doesn't make economic cents to do so for the majority of people. The amount of coins needed to make it profitable would fill your garage.

The federal mandates prohibiting the melt of cents and nickels is likely to be overturned if challenged. The problem with that is it takes a lot of money to challenge laws, rulemakings etc. and it just isn't worth it right now at these metal prices to wind this through the courts.

While many of us save any copper cents we receive in change (I did too for a while but threw them back after a while) I doubt any of us are going to be getting rich by doing so.

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