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 Posted 03/09/2007  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add richard flier to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I want to thank the responding members of the CC Family.Important feedback. Ravelxcoins seems to use them exclusively.Be cautious. Richard Flier
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 Posted 03/11/2007  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coincidentally, I had sent the following proposed letter to the editors of Coin World and (with minor editing) Numismatic News recently. I did not receive a reply from either.

Dear Bill,

Below, please find a letter which I would like to submit for publication in Coin World. Please feel free to email me or phone me at (858) 459-3884 if you have any questions, comments or editing requirements. I believe that this is a very important topic and spend quite a bit of time trying to warn unknowledgeable buyers about various pitfalls in numismatics. I truly love the hobby and the business, but see many disturbing aspects to it.

By way of introduction, I have been a full time numismatist since 1979 as follows:

1979-1982: Retail sales and auction consignment coordinator for Steve Ivy Rare Coins
1982-1983: Owner of Mark Feld Rare Coins
1983-1985: Auction consignment coordinator, cataloguer and auctioneer for Heritage Rare Coin Galleries
1985-1987: Buyer for David Hall's Numismatic Investment Group
1987-1989: Employed by Mark Salzberg (now an owner of NGC) as part of a two man wholesale rare coin business
1989-1991: Owner of Mark Feld Rare Coins
1991-1998: Full time grader at NGC
1998-2004: Employed by Pinnacle Rarities, where I was involved in purchasing, sales and coin descriptions
July, 2004 - present : Owner of Mark Feld Rare Coins

Thank you for your time and consideration,

Sincerely,
Mark Feld

PROPOSED LETTER OR EDITORIAL FOR PUBLICATION IN Coin World:


There's far more than just a name and a website to a grading company, or is there?

Recently, while perusing ebay listings of coins for sale, I happened upon a "grading company" I had never heard of - World Coin Grading Company (website: https://www.worldcoingrading.com). So, I reviewed their website, where I read the following claims: "WCG is an independent third-party coin grading service. At WCG we grade our coins with the utmost integrity and highest quality. All coins are carefully graded and preserved in our special holders. Each coin comes with it's own serial number and and an official WCG logo."

However, among other things, there was no mention of the company's owners, graders, length of time in business, or contact phone number. I sent an email, requesting a contact phone number, so that I could ask some questions regarding a possible submission. Three days later I received a reply which did not include a contact phone number, but instead, read as follows:

"Dear Mark,

You can email us with any questions you have including submission questions. We will be happy to assist you in any way we can.

Thank you,
Customer Service
World Coin Grading"

I then sent another email, in which I asked questions such as whom the owner was, whom the graders were, how many coins World Coin Grading company graded per month, how long they had been in business, etc. I did not receive a reply.

Interestingly, thus far, I have only seen "World Coin Grading Company" coins offered by a single seller - ebay member: ravalexcoins. And, at least during the weeks I have followed that seller's ebay listings, he or she doesn't appear to sell coins graded by any other "grading company". Additionally, while I can appreciate that the grading of coins involves subjectivity, in many cases, the grading of the coins I have seen in "World Coin Grading Company" holders is considerably more liberal than any grading I have seen in my 27 years in numismatics. I invite readers to take a look for themselves and to see what they think.

I must wonder what connection, if any, exists between "World Coin Grading Company" and ebay member ravalexcoins. And, even if there is none, I'd sure like to see some evidence beyond a name and a website, that "World Coin Grading Company" truly is "an independent third-party coin grading service" as claimed on its website.

There are many self-slabbers, some of whom grade and slab their own coins, yet offer them as "independently certified". Sadly and disturbingly, many buyers of rare coins take false and misleading statements and claims on the part of sellers at face value. While those buyers deserve part of the blame for not doing their homework, that doesn't excuse dishonest sellers who take advantage of them.
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 Posted 03/11/2007  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to Coin Community, Mark. I couldn't be happier to see you here.
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 Posted 03/11/2007  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mark and welcome back! Great to see you again!

Nice letter to CW. I am guessing that because there are so many non-tiered boiler room slabbers, most claiming they are "independent grading services" of "high integrity" (albeit their slabs proving otherwise), CW decided not to select one out for particular attention. However, given your national reputation and credentials, they could have at least given you a response.

I'm also speculating that there is presently confusion about the WCGs' identity ("company" or "service") since as Conder mentioned, there are, or have been three using essentially the same name. CW may not have yet figured this out and, I would hope is doing its homework, a possible reason for non-response.

WCG COMPANY http://www.worldcoingrading.com/ isn't doing anyone any favors by super over-grading its coins.
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 Posted 03/13/2007  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mishap-coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well Mr Feld !! It seems this type of thing has been going on for some time in the coin industry and some of the companies have curtailed some if not all their old ways because of the government slapping their hands and making them pay fines and then off to business as usual..

When there is a billion dollar industry everyone wants a piece of the pie and if you have good lawyers after you have made millions then it is a hit or miss whether or not you will go to jail or pay a redress fund for your fine.

Check out these government links below about grading and misrepresentation !

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/predawn/F89/hert.txt

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/predawn/F93/pcgs-coin8.txt

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 Posted 03/13/2007  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Mark, it's great to see a post from you! Hope that means you're back for a while?

Since I don't get time to check out CU much anymore, I don't get to enjoy your posts anymore...

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 Posted 03/13/2007  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the warm re-welcomes. I will make an effort to post here less infrequently than I have, thus far. : )

Susan,(this is not a joke, I promise)I was booted off of the CU forum in December due to differences of opinion with David Hall regarding the "first strike" designation and censorship, among other things.
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 Posted 03/19/2007  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mishap-coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does anyone have any feedback at all about the two articles posted below about grading and misrepresentation ?



http://www.ftc.gov/opa/predawn/F89/hert.txt

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/predawn/F93/pcgs-coin8.txt
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 Posted 03/19/2007  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MC, the determination of the court against PCGS is interesting. PCGS seems to have recovered from the loss and then some in the following 17 years. What I find more interesting is that PCGS (and now NGC, ICG, and ANACS) do not as far as I can tell even allude that their grading practices are "objective" but rather they post their grading standards (PCGS anyway) and generally stick to them. While there is occasionally one (at most two) points difference between all of them, depending on the series being graded, they are remarkably consistent with each other and within their own service. More to the point, PCGS and the other top three TPGs following PCGS's example have come a long way since that settlement in 1990.

I know nothing about NCI except what I read in the settlement. Was NCI Heritage's grading service, now long since defunct?
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 Posted 03/19/2007  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madspec to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WCGC means WON'T CORRECTLY GRADE COINS

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 Posted 03/21/2007  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Was NCI Heritage's grading service, now long since defunct?

Yes and no, maybe. Yes, NCI was the grading service formed by Herman Halprin and a couple of the other principals of Heritage, and they were located in the same building. No, the official position of Heritage is that they were never directly associated with NCI. But as someone who was actively involved with collecting during the years NCI was active, I remember a lot of NCI material being offered by Heritage back then, so maybe.
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 Posted 03/25/2007  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Yes and no, maybe. Yes, NCI was the grading service formed by Herman Halprin and a couple of the other principals of Heritage, ..."

As far as I know, it would have been Jim Halperin, not Herman Halprin.
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 Posted 04/03/2007  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your right Jim. I then to have Herman stuck in my head because of his Large Cent collection.
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