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Smackdown VIII - Mars/Ares

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Yes, my hangover cleared-up quite nicely ...

Remedy = (3 Advil) + (1 hour of walking the dogs) + (1 hair-of-the-dog, for each of my two dogs) + (followed by 2 hours of wife-scolding)



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followed by 2 hours of wife-scolding


Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. Glad you are feeling better. I miss your daily quips.
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 Posted 08/12/2012  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ooops
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 Posted 08/12/2012  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm... unless I am missing something, Mercury isn't Mars....
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 Posted 08/12/2012  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mercury = Hermes?
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... oops, too ...
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08/12/2012 12:37 pm
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Glad to see my boy is back.
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As I mentioned earlier, the distinction between Virtus and Mars is not one I would fight over. In this case:

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VIRTVS AVGG, Mars standing left holding Victory and Spear.


I see Virtus. In addition to being dressed and not bearded, the spear in positioned pointed downward while I would expect the old war monger himself to hold his spear in the ready position. That is why I was surprised that we were making this distinction. The Numerian is a nice coin whether itt is Mars or Virtus. The Alexandrian denarius shows a clear beard so Virtus, a feminine personification, should be out but why do we insist it is Mars rather than a soldier? Identification of reverse types is never clear cut. There are some Virtus legend coins (including some of Numerian) where the figure is clearly Jupiter so we can't say anything with the legend is Virtus.

As far as this competition goes, I'll point out rule 7 and rule 8. Roughly translated that means you vote for the coin you like and the host can break a tie, if there is one, as he likes. I'd rather like to see a Virtus that all could agree could not possibly be a Mars. Below is NOT an entry from me because I call it a Virtus. There has been online discussion of the question where it was pointed out that Virtus can have one breast bared by off the shoulder attire. The problem is that a coin showing this has to be pretty high grade and I don't have many that nice in my poor collection. Virtus is wearing off shoulder attire but is one breast indicated here or do we need an EF+ perfect strike to discern its gender?


Smackdown-VIII---Mars/Ares

Smackdown-VIII---Mars/Ares


My hope is that there will be enough great Ares/Mars entries that I can find three to vote for without having to decide who is on the coin.
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 Posted 08/12/2012  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. Should be great.
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Many of the standard references mix up Virtus and Soldiers with Mars and thus my rule. If the right breast is exposed then it is female and thus Virtus.
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 Posted 08/12/2012  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm? => then I'd like a ruling whether this androgynous coin of mine is showing Virtus, or Mars? (sadly, I can't tell if it's a boy or a girl?!) ... I guess that alone means that I won't be scooping a medal!?

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Smackdown-VIII---Mars/Ares


... man, I'll try anything to slide into these SMACKDOWN competitions, eh?!!
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That one has the reverse legend "VIRT AVG TR P COS" with Virtus standing left, holding Victory and spear

Here is one from WW. where her right breast is exposed

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"hot"




... thanks Martin

=> well, ya can't blame a boy for tryin', right?
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 Posted 08/12/2012  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This denarius from that same series seems clear as to the one shoulder question.


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There is a very interesting article about Virtus and Mars
written by Gert Boersema, it's Dutch, try Google translate.

http://www.oudgeld.com/webbib/virtusmars.htm
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