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Urgent Help Required!napoleon 1808 Turin Mint U Franc?

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 Posted 04/23/2007  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This forum will give you problems if the pics are too wide or to many kilos
I thought below 50 K and below 400 width is what I aim for
The forum software will say accepted but will not show the pic if you go over the max width
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 Posted 04/23/2007  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add frenchcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just seeing how clear my new pics come up,ive tried to re edit it over again,its still not that clear but new ones will be up asap!

Image: Urgent-Help-Required!napoleon-1808-Turin-Mint--U-Franc? new back coin.jpg
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this one might be a tad clearer

Image: Urgent-Help-Required!napoleon-1808-Turin-Mint--U-Franc? Coin back re.jpg
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As I say they will get better I just wanted people to get a general idea.
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04/23/2007 7:06 pm
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 Posted 04/24/2007  06:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm, I can't read a denomination there at all. I thought it might even be a half franc - those say "DEMI FRANC" across the wreath, instead of "1 FRANC", with an otherwise identical. But you said your coin was 23mm diameter; that corresponds to a 1 franc (halves are only 18mm diameter).

Unfortunately, given the apparent disappearance of the denomination lettering and lack of tarnish in a circular patch inside the wreath, I suspect the coin may have been "mounted" at one stage - turned into jewellery such as a button, pendant or cuff link, with Napoleon's portrait showing. This was a common fate for old coins. The mount would then have been removed at a later date, turning it back into a coin.

A coin "ex mount" will be worth considerably less to a collector than an undamaged specimen, effectively dropping at least two grades condition-wise. We'd need to see the better pics to look for signs of damage there (scratches or file marks where a mount may have been removed). Don't be disappointed yet; it may simply be a very weakly struck centre and/or worn dies; I wouldn't know how unusual that might be for that mint.
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 Posted 04/24/2007  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add frenchcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be honest Sap I think you may be right there.Its a 1 france but it does seem to have a small scratch on it which may be where its been taken off,although I cannot be sure.

Even tho it is worn there,the other makrs dates writing ect are in very very good condition,im not a grader at all so I wouldnt have the foggiest but ive seen alot worse since looking for this coin!

I'll post some better pictures in the grading forum once I get them,I shall go hutning for my scanner!

cheers!
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