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Valued Member
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^ Trade as in short or long?
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Pillar of the Community
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@tbolts10
over 15.90 might get interesting to buy silver for a trade.. have to wait and see where it goes...
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Pillar of the Community
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Uh oh yup, we're almost at 15.90 just before the bell wit all pms positive. Today should be fun
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Im not going to lie I didn't think we would see silver over 16 for a long time. Strange happenings here.
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Pillar of the Community
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Ya crazy huh, I might just have to buy a little more today
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Personally I'm still a seller at this point - just not convinced otherwise yet.
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Markets are about context and time frames.
We remain in, a longer time frame, in a downtrend. Within this time frame, it can be broken down into shorter time frames which can make profits in either direction for traders. Long time followers of this thread have probably noticed how over the years we have been discussing this downtrend, there have been moments where gold and silver have broken higher and then just as it looks like the move was holding up, it breaks down.
I work in time frame which looks for breaks of trend lines of a specific pattern. This specific pattern has key areas of price action that I am looking for that I know work for my time frame.
In the case of silver, breaking 15.90 was key and a good start. Now what remains is-
A.- where does it close today. Always remember this, the old saying of "its how they open but how they close".
B- Suppose silver closes above 15.90 for the session. Will there be follow through buying tomorrow?
C- While this is a good pattern at a key break in price, there has been a lot of buying going on to get to this area, does it hold up? It could but not the way I like to see price get to the important area or point.
As always, there are zero guarantees in the market.
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Silver managed to stay above its b/o by a few. Questions loom from here and they are typical ones-
1- how far can this current move go?
2- what happens when silver backs back, is it going to retest the b/o area again?
3- will there be follow through for silver from the break out, seeing that silver is been up several days in a row?
4- should silver pull back, how deep will it be and will this latest attempt fail?
I have no crystal ball. I simple react to the price action and work off known patterns that have worked when either buying or selling. There are no guarantees nor do I place a price target as thats not my job.
Finally, where does gold start to make its move? Will silver pull gold up with it? Or is gold lagging because this move in silver wont hold? Dont know, just random typical observations.
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About to place a put order...
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Pillar of the Community
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Silver, not surprised in this move today,,, it has been pushing hard several days in a row in the b/o. Interestingly enough its off the lows of the day.
Tomorrow should give more clues as to whether there is another attempt over 15.90
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Intersting stuff today. I wonder how metals will perform tomorrow with the Dow finally closing above 17k on a 5 day streak
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I wont be able to make any notes after this AM and this weekend as I am going out of town but heres my thoughts-
Gold now is starting to show some life and look better price wise-
Silver- can it get over yesterdays high of 16.08? that would be good. this AM it was briefly over 15.90 This area is important because this is where the b/o started.
Again, gold and silver STILL in a longer context, time frame,, still both are in a downtrend. Still, there might/will be opportunities for a trade and one doesn't want to discount that sometimes the downtrend gets broken with moves such as this. Finally, we are in a strong seasonal month for gold however, remember to always differ to the price action first over seasonality.
Finally, remember there are no guarantees in markets, we try to always align probabilities in our favor and manage risk in case things go against a position.
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Silver breaking out today out of its range. After 15.90 was the battle ground break out area last week, silver is making a move higher after about a week of range bound trade.
Gold is also breaking out today as well. Unlike last week where silver was leading, gold and silver are rising in tandem. Gold broke out over 1169 and is higher today.
Again, how far this goes who knows. On a shorter time frame, this is a short term trade buy for traders. In an overall longer time frame, gold and silver remain in downtrends. There will be plenty of over head supply in terms of price that will be roadblocks for gold and silver to break the down trend.
That said, sometimes a break of a downtrend begins this way. This is why observation is so key because we are always looking to see if the trend is changing, if it is, continued sustained buying will be present and levels will be taken out, one by time.
FINALLY,,, while gold and silver are making their break outs this month, its interesting to note as an observation that we have seen other commodities attempting break outs as well such as palladium, sugar and others trying from lower bases such as coffee and cotton.
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Just a few thoughts from bits and pieces I've picked up over the last few years.
The first is that the Commodities markets are designed to keep/foster high(er) prices. That does not mean that they can't go down. We have seen lots of that. What I mean is that if enough buyers "go long" it drives the prices up, in and of it's own action. Regardless of the market. The reverse however, is not true. In fact I suspect that one of the reasons we have not seen a total collapse in the PMs are the hundreds of "Short covering rallies"; over the last 5 years. People are trying to be Warren Buffet and get rich shorting the market. How many times have we seen "market up on short covering rally"? How many weeks in a row have we seen this over the last few years.
The second; is that while Gold may not have the "safe haven" status it used to have, it is still a safe haven in the short term.
What I mean is that if you're a "Big Boy" and your stocks are tumbling, you know that you can pull your money out and put it into gold, and it will, at least retain it's value. You also know that if enough of your ilk do this then it will drive the price up, and when you need to go back into Stocks, ect....a day...or a week later...then you will probably make a nice little profit.
The fundamentals have not changed. There is no reason for high commodity prices other than middle man greed. Silver has had no significant increase in demand. Coin sales are news, but such a small market segment that it really doesn't matter. In fact there have been some remarkable declines in demand from market segments that are on their way out the door. Look at Film. Silver for use in photography was averaging around 15 percent of total silver demand. Now it accounts for less than 1 percent of silver demand. Jewelry and Silverware, traditionally, accounted for about 30 percent of silver demand. With so much Jewelry and Silverware being sold for scrap; the demand for silver for this market is also way down; to about 15 percent. Note this is for silver for NEW Jewelry and Silverware.
I know Yup doesn't deal much in the "hows and whys"; just the trends. How's and whys were my bread and butter for a long time, and I just find it interesting to watch what is happening.
My take, ( worth less than the cost of a cup of coffee). We are seeing a convergence of "Short Covering"; "Short term safe haven"; and "me tooism". Especially for those who "know" the PMS are on their way to the Moon. I would expect that the next time the big boys need money to make their next purchase they will take their profits and move on. Oh, and maybe, just maybe some of those folks who are trying to short the market will finally make their money too!
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Much has transpired in gold and silver since the end of September and going into October, in fact gold really started heating up in October. Lets take look at what has happened with the price in action in the past several months and were we sit now. As always, we approach the charts as only a reflection of price in the past, charts do NOT predict the future. In fact, we are not interested in trying to predict where things go, we let the market decide that part. What we should and do concern ourselves with is what evidence is price giving us that some trend is either still in place or changing. Being patient and following the trend is where the real money can be made AND is always made, everything else is just noise such as trying to predict if silver or gold are going to "X" price. Let the fools waste their time with that. Gold In the chart above I have kept our annotations from the previous set of charts we used. First off, since October 2nd, gold has been on a tear, running higher, putting a continued series of higher highs and higher lows which is indicative of steady buying. Remember how at 1169 (look at green arrow pointing down) on 8/24 gold stalled? That area finally gave way on 10/14 as gold broke out higher. From there it continued higher until it pulled back. That brings us to where we stand now. What we have now is a new range (look at price between the two aqua lines). It should be no surprise if we see if a pull back in the course of this move. Notice several times gold stalled before attempting this run higher. This fairly common especially how much overhead supply that has to be absorbed by buyers in this downtrend. For this recent price action to be constructive it would be preferable to see gold just trade range bound, in other words let it form another base in price for a while and then make another move higher, building on its original break out from 1169. 1169 by the way is a key number going forward as this an important area in price where gold broke out higher from. Look to see if that number is breached on the way down in the coming weeks. Silver Silver was running higher last week and breaking out before gold break out. Remember we discussed 15.90 as the break out area last week. After breaking from 15.90 silver went on a wild violent range but still managed to get back into 15.90 and higher. Again take a look at the upper two aqua lines where the green arrow is pointing towards the right end of the chart. There we can see the range that is currently being developed. As with gold, it would be constructive for higher prices if silver just spent time bouncing around in a range before attempting to break higher. This would make the break out higher more credible, as a break from a longer base makes them more durable and lasting. This also applies for a break lower but in the context we are referring to it is for a break higher, building on the previous weeks move higher for silver. Finally, remember- there are no guarantees that this break out holds in gold and silver. We have witnessed countless times vicious counter trends moves that have fizzled out. For that reason we take the price action level by level. IF this is a real attempt by gold and silver to finally break out of this downtrend we will see levels that build, then are broken higher and hold. Eventually this will lead to gold and silver making yearly highs and then for sure we have confirmation via price that gold and silver are officially in a strong uptrend. To get there we need that element I always repeat- TIME. For now, expect wild volatility and watch how deep the pull backs and how fast price recoups from these dips. In time, the market will show its hand, all we have to watch for are the clues.
Edited by yup7676 10/19/2015 03:20 am
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