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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 05/31/2013  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fear of QE causing massive inflation was the catalyst for a big bump in PM prices. The Fed announced QE1 in November 2008 and PM prices took off. In November 2010 the Fed announced QE2 and prices rose even faster. However, massive inflation never materialized and the economy continued to improve sending PM prices back down. By the time QE3 was announced in September 2012 all we saw was a little spike before returning to the downtrend. It wasn't only the USA doing QE, other major economies did similar QE packages along with the US. The UK did QE in September 2009, November 2010, October 2011, February 2012, and July 2012.

I bought silver in 2011 expecting QE3 to keep pushing PM prices up. I lost that bet.
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 Posted 05/31/2013  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allspice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And then we had QE to infinity! Now we have easing of QE... wish Mr. BB would make up his mind...
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 Posted 05/31/2013  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bernanke has been very clear with his plans, he wants 2% yearly inflation. QE is designed to put money into the economy and boost the economy. As the economy improves QE will be reduced then eliminated. If the Fed starts seeing inflation rise above the 2% target they will raise interest rates and sell bonds back into the economy to remove money from the economy. The plan is simple and consistent. Whether one agrees with the plan is a different matter.

On the topic of PM prices: GLD down 2.03% and SLV down 2.41%
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 Posted 06/01/2013  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Several posters have hit the nail on the head in the past couple of days, and that's the fact that QE was done to help the ECONOMY, HOUSING... it was not meant and did not stimulate the stock market.

The accommodating policy was to help the fragile economy gain traction,ease fear and panic and mostly, boost the sagging housing sector which is very key to the economy.

For the past year and and half, housing has been awakening and things are getting better, the global economy is getting better. Things are coming together. Are they perfect? No but the recovery is REAL. Some of the strongest sectors in the stock market for 6 months or more have been key sectors, such as transportation companies, from railroads, trucking to air freight.

Now, I am not trying to turn this thread into the stock market thread. My point in bringing this up, is that gold and silver have been pricing this in. Despite talk of continued bond buying, if you notice, even after Fed meetings, gold and silver continue to do nothing. Talk of QE has done very little in the past year to boost and sustain the price of gold and silver.

Why? Because QE is going to get cut slowly but surely. That's been telegraphed STRONGLY since last Wes. The long bond has been picking speed to the downside, its near yearly lows, interest rates on shorter dated bonds are rising in interest rates. All of this is going to impact and keep gold and silver down, tho silver looks like its in the worst shape.

To sum it up, gold and silver are going to need some other catalyst to get it going. As its been noted, there's no fear and panic, the uncertainty has been removed,,,,,, and yes, everyone who has said it including me, until big funds show up to buy gold and silver, its not going anywhere.
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 Posted 06/01/2013  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So last week, where gold and silver started, they finished in the past trading week. It seemed as perhaps gold would challenge the gap, hit and fill it.

Instead, gold once again came into the gap and stopped, and closed the day at the low of the day. Pretty much can be said with silver, however it looks even weaker than gold no attempt to even fill the gap once. Lets look at our proxies as they closed on Friday-

GLD- lower high, lower low.

SLV- lower high, lower low.

This sort of price action is typical when an asset is going to make an attempt to continue with its move lower. Perhaps Monday we see a gap down. For the past several weeks however, we have seen gold and silver exhibit this sort of move, to the downside, only to see them dip briefly and bounce right back up. Hence, why I say a slow train wreck motion, your classical broken asset.

If we see a gap down followed by a bounce to the upside, the first thing that comes to my mind is that this will be a continued s-l-o-w drip down in both silver and gold. In fact its price action right now reminds me so much of sugar and coffee and how they have traded in the past year and half where there were many dips, which in turn were bought, bringing the price back up, followed by more dips that brought yearly lows, followed by a bounce and more new freshly lows, ala slow grind style.

That's one big reason why I am still saying, don't buy these dips. Be patient, in fact above all, before even thinking of getting a bargain in gold and silver, think of how much more valuable it is in being PATIENT and waiting for this downside move to play out.

I realize this is hard, and it can be fatiguing and perhaps easy to say "well its only gone down a bit so I dont mind if it drops a little more" but trust me, the little dribbles in price as it goes down will add up over time and you will have wished you had waited.
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 Posted 06/01/2013  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pimpim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've found this topic today and it is very interesting. I'm no a very wealthy guy, having to struggle on a daily basis to pay my bills. It hasn't been like this all the time and every time I had extra money, instead of keeping it in a bank account, I bought silver. I don't take it as an investment but as true money. It doesn't matter to me if silver goes to 500$ an ounce because at that time food will increase as well. But I know that there will be a little gap when the PM will be higher than the inflation and at that moment my goal will be to buy a land so I can focus on what is important for me in life, food and shelter. I choose silver because of the ratio with gold is insane and I figure that there is a little profit to be made before I just protect my assets.
So that is my view, PM is not an investment, it is a protection of wealth.
PS; Salut Miggs.
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 Posted 06/01/2013  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allspice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the valuable views, guys! I'm glad I focused on numismatics & semi-numismatics as purchases rather than just bullion.

I think I've come to the conclusion that silver & gold are done for the time being and won't recover for months or even years. I'll make small purchases when I can afford to and only good stuff.

My new goal for a move in silver or a ratio change is 2020. I've heard this is the year when a shortage in silver is more likely. But time will tell.

Thanks, Yup, for keeping us posted as to when you think an uptrend will begin. But I'm not holding my breath... silver is like an unraveling thread and it's far from over...
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 Posted 06/01/2013  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The think the best take away is that for collectors, low prices in gold and silver means those proof silver and gold coins, as an example, that you have been wanting, are getting a mark down of sorts, even if it isn't as deep as we have seen in bullion coins.

There will come a time when the bullion coins are worth scooping up..... but that time is not here yet.

@allspice no problem at all. Markets are dynamic, always changing. Should there be some sort of turn or change in behavior, I am positive I'll see it and make mention of it.
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 Posted 06/03/2013  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a quick note here

notice gold trying again to go into the gap. Silver ehhh still lagging gold. lets take a quick look at our proxies

GLD- into the gap again, having trouble tho staying above 136.75, it did get over this but staying below right now, watch to see if it can climb and maintain above this number

SLV- 23.10 is the number you should be watching closely,,, see if it can poke above this number and stay above, as this would get it started into the gap.

I expect a TON of volatility going forward so this is NOT the time frame to be buying gold and silver. We could see even the gap filled with the volatility but remember if a rapid movement up occurs, the same will happen in the opposite direction. So, be very careful right now, batten down the hatches or do nothing if you aren't nimble.

There are a few factors going across markets. Expect to hear how things are out of control, things aren't getting better, how this is the time for gold and silver to be bought. I disagree, I think simply global equity markets are set for a correction, volatility is rising and the best thing is to do sit back and watch.
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 Posted 06/03/2013  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverdollar2011 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 200 day moving average for silver is $29.97, right now we are at around $23 making it about 25% off the average. So, why are we not buying and suddenly all afraid of volatility. Demand for silver is very strong and well supported in foreign countries including Japan and India. Following the crash of silver prices several weeks ago, our LCSs were sold out of both silver and gold. Now, it seem like they've recovered with more inventory, this is a good sign that silver is still in the house, there is still demand for it. Whenever, you see an extremely abrupt shortage of silver, this would be a good time to sell since demand now outweighs supply.

Therefore, this is the time to buy as much as possible, stack up, and do not back down.
I, personally couldn't afford silver at the $40 range and am very satisfied buying it at the $25 level, it makes my hard earnt money more valuable.
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As far as Silver; I am buying buying buying.
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The 200 day moving average for silver is $29.97, right now we are at around $23 making it about 25% off the average.


And every day that 200 day average has gotten lower. An amonst 2 year downtrend at this point means more than a 200 day average
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yup.... the 200MA is telling you DONT BUY. Furthermore, I could get super technical here, but I wont.. (because it just doesn't help the folks around here, better to keep it simple and easy to understand) however, since you bring it up, what kind of MA are you talking about SilverD?

Furthermore SilverD, you can throw out the MA's, they are NOT concrete areas, they are not support or resistance, they are ONLY mere reference points and thats IT. Gold and silver are showing right now that assets can move lower than anyone can expect.

Finally, at BEST, some technical traders would not be buying here, they would FIRST wait to see if it can get get over the 50 day.

So as you can see, buying here would be buying blindly.

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So we start the week off with gold attempting to go into the gap. It closed at the higher end of the range. Silver continues to lag gold. Lets look at our proxies

GLD- during the day it did manage to get over 136.75 however it settled lower. Nevertheless, this was an interesting start to the week. Question is, does gold get the push it needs to now go further into the gap and close it? If it does, the number we next need to watch on GLD is 143.43. This has twice, right to the penny, stopped GLD in its tracks. The other option we have is that once again, GLD stops at the lower end of the gap and retraces to the lower end of this range. Time will tell.

SLV had a higher high and higher low over its Friday close. SLV has yet to fill the gap. Does this time anything change? Who knows, again only time well tell. At this point, just as with GLD, time and patience, is super important and key.

Finally, remember, tomorrow is key, follow through is important, otherwise falling out here at the upper range implies that silver and gold continue their range bound trading. This is not the time nor place price wise to be buying silver. Don't allow yourself to feel that you will "miss the train" and that "prices have found a floor here".

Buying broken assets is a suckers game, and right now gold and silver are broken with a capital B. There is no value in buying gold and silver, without any sort of numismatic value at these levels. You will have no cushion.
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because it just doesn't help the folks around here, better to keep it simple and easy to understand


get technical please

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