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To Clean Or Not To Clean....your Thoughts

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 Posted 03/02/2013  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
rmc...coins should not be tampered with, either cleaning or sealing.

Are you in the furniture business?
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 Posted 03/02/2013  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sealer: My copper method; pure Vaseline. Appy with clean soap free hands.(rub with thumb in circular motions(about 1 min).Remove excess and store accordingly.
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 Posted 03/02/2013  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
doubleeagle59...Are you in the comedian business? I TOTALLY agree, I never said it was a good idea. It was a topic I thought would be helpful to others
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03/02/2013 8:45 pm
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 Posted 03/02/2013  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@doubleeagle59

we're not handling diamonds or uranium here ...

This method for copper will simply assure you the highest grade attainable for the coin.[the coin can only be graded honestly,professionally ONCE.]
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03/02/2013 8:50 pm
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 Posted 03/02/2013  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would PCGS grade a copper coin that has had vaseline applied to it?

I just think it's not a good idea to apply any cleaning or sealing substances to coins.

Now, if you're talking about a beat up common large cent in VG condition, then go ahead and dip it in a jar of vaseline.

But my response was more in line with a coin that has a substantial value and in this case I hope you both agree that it's best to leave it alone.

My apologies if my 'humour' or sarcasm offended anyone. It was not intended to do so.
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03/02/2013 9:33 pm
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 Posted 03/02/2013  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
doubleeagle59... I do agree! I'm not a fan of a cleaned coin no matter what its grade.
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 Posted 03/02/2013  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again; the method described is not cleaning in the "cents" of devaluing and or damaging the copper coin.
If you happen to be fortunate enough to find any coin that you wish to preserve for yourself or for monetary gain the coin must be free of any particles that will damage it while in your possession or in transit to a grading authority.

It's that simple; now think about it before you post excuses on how to not sharpen your skills in a very delicate profession.

RE; you must at some point or time handle the coin in the state you found it when you found it.
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 Posted 03/02/2013  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Double J to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmmmm...clear as mud....which I think is on these coins...anythoughts on what to do with them?



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 Posted 03/02/2013  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
do you have any rough estimates on value in the open market?
Are you asking for advise or "changing" the topic?
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 Posted 03/03/2013  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cameron93 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Re following quotes from 1188howest

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"pure Vaseline. Appy with clean soap free hands.(rub with thumb in circular motions(about 1 min)"

and,

"any coin that you wish to preserve for yourself or for monetary gain the coin must be free of any particles that will damage it while in your possession or in transit to a grading authority"

With all due respect... we've got a lot of new people coming to this site looking for good advice regarding proper handling of coins...

To suggest that it's a good idea to rub vaseline onto a coin before sending it in for grading in order to protect it in transit is absolute nonsense.

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The bottom line on cleaning coins is that it's 100% fine if it's YOUR coin, and YOU intend to keep it.

HOWEVER, you have to realize that at least 75% of the numismatic value goes out the window if your coin shows evidence of having been cleaned. If you want every coin to look "purty", go ahead, clean it to your hearts content, if that garish artificial lack of color is your thing.

But remember that when you try to sell ME that coin 5-10 years from now, you are getting just under spot for it, no matter what it is.
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Cameron93 ... I couldn't agree more about vaseline. Anyone who even suggests that a jar of it get close to a coin hasn't been around coin collecting for very long. There are also folks out there that use the words "preservation" or "stabilizing" as rationale for using their favorite chemical to alter a coin's appearance. TPG's will not allow anything on the surface, regardless how thin the film left behind, unless they are stuck back in the 1960's, 70's or 80's. Some coins are lucky to get even a "genuine" remark on a coin any more instead of an actual grade because of their cleaning/preservation charades. Anything that can/will alter the surface luster of a coin .. or leave behind a residue of any kind shouldn't be allowed by any TPG and PCGS and NGC are starting to do just that. It won't take many $20 plus postage to just get the word "genuine" on the holder or on the body bag to get people to stop this nonsense with oils/gels/waxes/coatings of any kind. The only thing that I will even slightly approve of is a very minor acetone wash to remove the soft PVC residue, before it starts to harden and pit/corrode... and then d with distilled water only.
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 Posted 03/03/2013  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ cameron93

As a final safeguard against the elements on an ungraded copper coin,PURE VASELINE is sound advise.It can be removed easily if needed with heated distilled water.I am quite simply giving my opinion on 2 safe and effective SOLVENTS that react favorable to problem free COPPER COINS and maintain the surfaces with the absolute least amount of friction.
No "cleaning" involved here,just common "cents".



Your response is illogical cameron93, hypercritical and unprotected.
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03/03/2013 07:52 am
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Hi, as a new collector I'm starting to get confused! I understand no cleaning period!! However I come across some coins encrusted with dirt in my change and on the ground. Currently our Canadian change is made from multi plated steel cores with nickel coating. I'd like to see what under the dirt, encase its a variety. I need to understand what damage sunlight dish soap and tap water will so to this type of coin? Is acetone and air dry the only acceptable method for these coins?
Next I have purchased a couple silver nclt coins and they have visible fingerprints! Is there anything I can do, or do I just live with it? I understand holding by edges only. Who knew coins were so delicate . I have also seen ads for ultra sonic vibrating coin cleaning devices sold by reputable coin dealers; any opinion on these. Rox
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I forgot, I received coins in plastic coin pages. However for mailing the guy placed a ton of packing tape to hold the different pages together for shipping. It took 15 mins to remove all the tape. Now the outside of the protective sleeve is covered in tape residue. Is there a way I can remove this residue? They are the type of sleeves you would buy for a coin album, with pockets. I don't know the correct names. I wanted to be clear in my description, that it is designed for coin storage. I'm using plastic as a generic term, as I don't know the specific one. Any help would be appreciated. Rox
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