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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:Do you think these stores were just bulling me around, to get me off the phone? Because, like I said, the guy at the Meijer world HQ said that they do take customer complaints and suggestions seriously, and he also said that he would document the idea and send it along, and that using $2 bills and halves actually made sense. And the lady at the Walmart HQ pin-pointed my local Walmart's location, within seconds of me telling her where I live, and so I was thinking, these people may actially be taking me seriously and seriously be considering the ideas, seeing as the Meijer HQ even wanted my phone number in case they want to call me. Also Id guess a little bit of both. What I mean by that is they probably seemed very receptive to be nice but at the same time did in fact document it. Whether or not that means theyll act on it is a different story. They generally dont act on something unless they get a lot of complaints/suggestions saying the same thing. Corporates going to look at the bottom line and not spend any extra money on something unless they think people really want it and it will set them apart. Your idea about the store managers may be your best bet since that wouldnt actually cost them anything and if it bombed they could just redeem them for other bills at the bank. Depending on the chain though the manager may not have the authority to do that since some companies are more strict with their protocols for how things have to be done than others. If theyre some mom and pop stores in your area that you are friendly with I would suggest starting there, if it works there the big chains would be more receptive to doing it in your area
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Moderator
 United States
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Although you can be a bit of a broken record, Fox (much love anyways), your passion for the subject is inspiring. The only objection I actually have is that in one sense yours is an unwinnable battle. You'll likely get your wish regarding simplification and consolidation of issues - losing the Dollar bill, larger-denomination coins - as much as a result of desirable cost-cutting as for the unmentioned 800lb gorilla in the room:
We're not really using cash as a society any more. Cash transactions at POS are down to something like 25% of all transactions, and that number is lessening every day. Heck, I'm a Luddite in my mid-50's, and the only reason I ever use cash any more is for tips. I go through two debit cards per issue lifetime, wearing them out from having used nothing else to spend money. The younger generations are even more plastic-centric.
So some of your goals are rendered near-inevitable with or without your input, and others become less-likely (vending machine reform) every day because there simply isn't enough demand to justify the investment. Heck, it's getting difficult to hail a cab which doesn't have a card swiper in it.
You can assume that any changes made to our monetary system which do not directly relate to reducing overall cost are being made for purely political reasons, because some certain plurality maintains an emotional opposition to it. Nobody in government who uses logical thought progressions in their heart of hearts is in favor of expanding anything, monetarily.
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Pillar of the Community
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SsuperDdave,
Thanks for not minding me being a "broken record", because I realize I was and I know that can get annoying.
Anyway, the way I always heard it is, ALL vending machines made for the U.S. and Canada are made by the same vending manufacturer, and those machines have been reformed to accept Canadian $2 coins, and I was told that these machines could also be retooled to accept a U.S. $2 coin if a U.S. $2 coin replaced the U.S. $2 bill, so, if the vendors can retool for $2 coins, when or if they come out before a cashless society, why can't they also retool for halves? Also, as I said, I have heard that cash has at least two more generations left, so I think we will still have cash around for a while, but unfortunately, toward the end, where people are only making extremely small purchases with cash, I could see the government even stop issuing $50 and $100 bills, which to me, would be a disaster.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
998 Posts |
You can retool a vending machine to accept rocks if you want, that isn't the problem.
The problem is that new coins and bills require each machine to be adjusted to accept them. Most vending machines are less than 20 years old, and in that time frame the half dollar or $2 bill have been invisible. While there may be some machines around that take them I would venture to say that most do not. There is no real need nor is there a demand for these coins to work in these machines.
With pop running $1.50 or more out of machines the next big investment will be more card acceptors and bill acceptors rather than retooling for large value coins. There are vending machines around now that accept ONLY plastic, no cash. Expect to see these around more and more.
I think that any plan to introduce $2 coins in the USA and make half dollar and $1 coins more commonplace is just going to run out of time. Plastic money is king now and the prince in waiting is electronic money (pay by smartphone etc,) or maybe biometrics.
The age of cash is pretty much over and there will be nothing new in coins down the pike except for maybe a lessor alloy for the 5 cent piece. I don't think that the vending machine folks will bother making these work in their machines, just like most don't accept the penny. As for bills, the current round of improvements might be the last or next to last.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I agree about plastic taking over and any major changes to vending machines will revolve around accepting those.
But they certainly will keep redoing bills for as long as there are bills. There will be some use for cash for the next 100 years probably but even if as a country we move away from it many parts of the world are way behind and basically only use cash. Staying a head of fakes and making them harder will always be a priority as long as any bills exist
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Pillar of the Community
 708 Posts |
n9jig & basebal21,
One thing you don't get about "plastic" money, is credit card fraud, and identity theft. This has happened to my mother and my father at least four times, each. Maybe more. You can't steal someone's identity or run up someone else's bills, who has a $200, $500, or $1,000 bill. Sure, if you flash that 1K bill around, you could get robbed and lose all of that money, and most likely, never get it back, but its much better than a wad of $100 bills in your pocket. And even though a stolen credit card could be canceled immediately, if stolen, that does not stop the possibility of someone opening up another credit card account with your stolen identity. Therefore, I believe we should really take a few steps back, and eliminate all electronic methods of payment, and bring back $500, $1,000, $5,000 and $10,000 bills and issue $200 and $2,000 bills as well. I think that would be way more secure, as far as identity theft goes. Try to think of how great your "plastic" is after dealing with identity theft and credit card fraud more than a half a dozen times.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Theft is an issue with cards, but its getting better and depending on your company you may not even be on the hook for it. That said though that hasnt discouraged use at all, its usage is on the rise in fact and sort of something wiping out modern infrastructure thats not going to change. Theyll keep adding security to it and more ways you can do it and eventually probably will have a biometric verification system for it. I've personally had my card used a couple different times for things like flights in Malaysia or my favorite was an escort service in Indonesia, I wasnt responsible for any of it though.
Youre certainly entitled to that opinion and there is truth to the fact that cash is more secure in some ways, you can be robbed for it though and would never get it back, but there is a less than 0 percent chance that electronic methods of payments will be eliminated or phased out. Most kids have some form of credit card or prepaid card now and with every generation growing up with it its usage will only increase as the last generation not to have had it in their youth passes on. Almost everyone has some form of credit or debit card especially in the 18-40 age group
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