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 Posted 07/03/2007  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Folks! Carl gives very good advice here. My post in no way was a recommendation to clean coins. Every coin must be studied on an individual basis to determine a specific need and no blanket statement or method applies. Coins of higher value, in my opinion should be sent to a reputable conservation company and if ever sold represented as such. That being said, a determination of possible further destruction of the coin should be considered before proceeding as well. I have "cleaned" coins with Acetone, but have not cleaned any other coins in any manner in the last 20 years! My end results were usually worse than if I had just left it alone. Mike
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 Posted 07/04/2007  03:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimJing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, very good advice Carl.
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 Posted 07/04/2007  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Denatured alcohol is "normally" 99% pure and has added to it ethylacetate to make it undrinkable and a color to warn you
All three conditions may leave a bluish shine visable on 10 times magnification .
Also this denatured allcohol will burn at room temperature if you put a match to it ( I think they call that open cup flammable temperature of 18 C room temperature )
You gain nothing but trouble with 1% impurities and god knows what quality of ethylacetate ( I was engineering support for a plant churning out 17 000 metric tons as a BYproduct ) not to mention the added color which is either a dye or a pigment but trouble anyways .

I tried like 20 kinds of solvents on gold and now only buy acetone
I never saw a highgrade goldcoin that did not look better afterwards
AU or EF may look worse because the finger grease smooth them
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 Posted 07/04/2007  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Denatured alchohol works great on any coin to remove gunk/dirt/etc. It now replaces the need for me to use acetone.

Another poor idea. As with any product as I mentioned previously about Olive Oils, manuafacturing processes vary and the end results also vary. Do not use chemicals to clean coins unless you just want a shinny coin of no value. If you ever watch the Antique Roadshow on TV you would have noticed how many times they state "If you had cleaned this, it would now be worthless or close to it". This is extreamely true of coins lately. Back in the old days, cleaning coins was the thing to do. People used to want bright shinny stuff. However, as the coin collecting became so much of a bug business, cleaning coins had become the thing not to do.
You must remember that many of the items you see on a coin as a contaminate has become part of the coin. It usually is a chemical reaction with some other substance. Removing this contaminate will take part of the coin with it.
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 Posted 07/04/2007  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just4fun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I only cleaned a few coins. It cleaned the goo off. I am not looking for a beautiful shean, just to be able to read some of my coins. 99% of my coins are in great shape considering the age, but there are a few I would like to see better. And I only used Acetone/Distilled Water.

As far as Olive Oil, I didn't quite feel right about it, so didn't even attempt to use it.

So am I getting the impression to just use distilled water and that would be my best bet for getting the dirt off and possible be able to read it better.
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 Posted 07/04/2007  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too have noticed the differences that different brands and strenghs of olive oil and how it affects the coin. I soak in olive oil just enough to soften any goo in order to remove it. Still sometimes it affects the coin in ways that alters it's tone and which I am not pleased with.
I'm going to use distilled more frequently rather than olive olive in the future.

Also, I agree with Mike's post above.
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 Posted 08/07/2007  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CPChicago to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been working with olive oil and some wheats from the '50s, nothing worth a darn. They were covered in different things - glue, gunk, and the ever so popular green corrosion! When I last looked at the olive oil it was a light green, telling me some of the gunk has definitely been removed.

They've been soaking for about a week and a half now. I've pulled a few out, only to put them back in, and found it's tough to get some of the thicker stuff off, requiring the use of a toothpick. I know this isn't great for coins, but they're just wheats, and I wanted to remove the corrosion and keep it from spreading to the others.

Overall, I'm fairly impressed with the simple use of olive oil but due to the 'toothpicking' needed, I wouldn't try it with anything semi-valuable. To the eye, you can't see scratches, I'm not even sure I could see anything at 10x, but I wouldn't want to risk a professional seeing the toothpick scratches. Plus, I'm sure in some cases removing the corrosion will reveal sections of the coin that aren't the same color, making it obvious, even without damage, that something has been done.
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 Posted 08/07/2007  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greyhav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another problem with olive oil, besides the variation in ingredients already mentioned, is that it can slowly oxidize, forming lacquer-like substances that may never wash off (other hydrocarbons such as gasoline do this if you leave it in a gas tank for a few months).

As a chemist (and not a coin-cleaning expert), I like acetone a lot better than water, since water facilitates many other reactions (acid etching and oxidation both go faster with water). If you did use water, I would use acetone last (again subject to the high purity warnings already mentioned. I use high-purity stuff at work, which is far more pure than distilled water).

I use acetone to dry things. It washes off the water, evaporates quickly and cleanly, is extremely unreactive, and won't dissolve metals, metal oxides, or metal sulfides (which pretty much describes coin surfaces). Of course, that's not to say when you make a loosely attached particle fall off it won't take some metal with it and be uglier underneath.

Denatured alcohol is different things at different times, often with water, so I don't trust it.

I'd also avoid anything that was stored in a plastic bottle. Not only can the plastic add to the residue problem over time, but most plastics are permeable, so even if the plastic has no additives, that adhesive from the label could eventually soak through. I work with eye-drops, and after years of finding things in the eye-drops that passed through the outer box, through the label, and through the bottle into the solution, I'm surprised they keep the water in. Oh, actually they don't. Many of the bottles lose 5% of the water contents per year, straight through the plastic, concentrating the ingredients by 5% a year.
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