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Valued Member
Canada
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I made the call. No more mention of returning them at a bank. Instead, the rep said he'd send me an email with a RMA (?) sticker that I was supposed to put on the box and ship them back via Canada Post. His follow up email asked me to give him an inventory list of the coins I am returning. Looks like they're completely bypassing the bank now.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The banks won't touch them. The bank most likely to is RBC, as they have a longstanding relationship with the mint.
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Valued Member
Canada
393 Posts |
I had no problems getting the RCM to take back a few of their $20 for $20 coins so I could purchase new product at the RCNA convention. The last two issues of CCN prominently feature this topic on the front pages and on their website so it is getting a lot of attention. I wish I had kept some of the advertising back when this program was in it's infancy as I seem to recall use of a $20 banknote suggesting that the simple cash exchange worked both ways. Most people it seems just want straight up refunds with very little hassle. All of this extra work costs time and money and it's no wonder banks just find it easier to say no. Most don't order rolls of coin or banknotes unless there's a huge demand for it that can't be covered by the amount brought in for deposits. That said, there are plenty of people who dump nickel dollars, 50 cent pieces and even silver coins at the banks expecting face value. Again, the banks don't want them. I would certainly hope that someone walking in with 1912-1914 $5 or 1967 $20 gold coin would be referred to a local coin dealer or at least told that they are worth far more than face value.
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Canada
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The banks here will take nickel dollars and 50 cent pieces, as they are recognized business strike coins. The problem is, they want to buy the $20 for $20, $50 for $50, etc, as bullion, and are reluctant to do even that. The mint essentially lied to Canadians, and I would not be suprised to see a lawsuit out of it. A seniorage program is one thing, but to lie to gullible collectors that "buy this coin, it's a free temporary savings account" when the product in question has been DESIGNED to preclude any appreciation in value is another. These coins should have been Silver dollar sized for $20, 1.5 ounce for the $50, 3 ounces for the $100, etc. At least that way consumers could feasably buy them as bullion speculation as well.
The mint did a series of wildlife silver maples that were sold by them as standard bullion, and they still made a ton off them, so there is no excuse for charging 4x spot for what is a de facto bullion coin.
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Valued Member
Canada
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One could also argue that the Mint has perhaps mislead the public with descriptions like "Risk Free/Money Back Guarantee", "This new Canadian silver commemorative coin is legal tender....You simply exchange $20 from your wallet for a $20 coin of pure 99.99% silver." Yet you can't pay the Mint for them without a credit card and the return policy is 14 days.  As a collector I understand the intrinsic and numismatic value of the series, but like with most of the NCLT bullion products, don't want to lose my shirt. If everyone starts treating these coins as bullion and they start trading at less than $10, the Mint will be swamped with returns. In essence collectors and investors would be recalling their loans which would impact their bottom line. Our tendency to hoard is good for business which the Mint encourages, particularly for circulation coins.
Edited by Proof Nut 10/01/2014 6:01 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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It's only a matter of time before the RCM gets a vault full and melts them down for new $20 for $20 series.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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There is no numismatic value for a coin with such a high mintage. We would have to live to be 200 for them to even beat inflation.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Good points Anjohol. The RCM denies that it mislead Canadians and collectors into thinking the coins can be used like cash. Lots of initial responses from purchasers echo their spend-ability. Check out some of the archived items and responses for yourself. The Mint and Government have put themselves in a difficult position here with this possibly ending up like the situation with the '76 Olympic coins. I feel confident and reassured that the Mint will stand behind their products but worry about what would happen if suddenly tens of thousands of the $x for $x coins were returned. I hope that the series continues (13 so far?) and will be limiting myself to fewer coins unless the design has special meaning to me.
Edited by Proof Nut 10/02/2014 12:04 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Just returned from RBC. They have no clue what to do. Except this, the've told, that since I not RBC client, they can not do nothing. Called RBC customer service - they were able me to provide RCM customer service phone. Called RCM : the lady on phone (after 20 minutes awaiting) had no knowledge, what to do, forwarded me somewhere and the call disconnected. After this I still will say, that RCM able to struck very nice coins, but the service sucks when you need them. Except for the "last minute gifts" will not touch 20for20 anymore...... will keep first 11 and will keep the $200 Towering Forest
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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But why not open a free bank account with them so then you become a client and be treated in a different way?
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Canada
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On a slightly other note in regards to the these coins, it is a great way to get to MC level, if your bank would accept them at face. (I have at least one that will)
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Oh, and I just got my notice from my rep at the mint, and the new snowman 20-4-20 coin, appears to have no limit. which is a huge indicator of how they think these will sell.
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Canada
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Quote:...After this I still will say, that RCM able to struck very nice coins, but the service sucks when you need them... Silveroid, you're not serious. The mint service sucks. Personally I think you are being too generous in your appraisal. 
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Canada
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Quote: But why not open a free bank account with them so then you become a client and be treated in a different way? That's also the solution. But it bit tricky, not suppose to be like that. Like just to go to Mint boutique and there...will they gave the cash? Looks like not.
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Also got the mail about snowman. Now I even doubtfull, should I buy any for the gift. I is cute....and its all.
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