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Thanks Dad!...your right. If I am the second highest bidder, it would be only by a dollar or two.
Metal man...Yea, I win sometimes but the only collector its costing me is me. Like I said in the original post. All I get is a coin I think is worth a little more than I paid. I can't make people bid more than they were willing to pay in the first place, but I can maybe make them pay a decent price for what I think is a nice coin.
snowman...No. I'm sorry for my rude comment. I'm looking at it from the point of the seller not the buyer. What I really did was not allow the buyer to "steal" the coin. I made them pay a decent price for the item. No more than they would have paid anyway. Looking at it as the seller. I doubt you would have a problem someone bidding up a coin you were selling. I would hope when it comes time for me to sell my coins, I don't give them away for 40 or 50 percent of what they are worth.
And by increasing the water level, don't I raise all ships?.
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If you think the coin is worth your bid, then you are not costing a fellow collector anything. You are not raising the price artificially. You may be keeping someone from getting a ridiculously good deal, but so what?
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HABIB...uh, I don't know. I don't think there is a so what.
There are lots of "games" people play. Sniping, shill bidding, cherry picking. I think Mom or Dad were talking about people following you and sniping your good deals. I don't follow anybody. As far as these kinds of games go, mine is the least annoying. You're right, I don't cost any fellow collectors anything 'cause if I win, they pay nothing.
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I can't make people bid more than they were willing to pay in the first place
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but I can maybe Make them pay a decent price for what I think is a nice coin
sorry you can't have it both ways you are either not making them spend more or you are making them spend more for the coins you play your game with. I think the practice is on the verge of shilling and opposed to everyones interest who bids on ebay ,,to pay the least that they can for coins they need or want . Its tough enough without having to deal with someone meddling with the auctions who really has no intentions of buying the coin but rather is just trying to force their opinion of value into the auction. quote:
but I can maybe make them pay a decent price for what I think is a nice coin.
Ya I probably should check with you next time I decide to bid on a coin to see if you think its a nice coin or not .and how much I should be expected to pay for it ! Not going to happen! you see I make those decisions for myself and I don't think anyone should interfer that is not serious about buying the coin also |
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Well I won one today by a cent! I went back and looked at the persons bidding history on the same item, figured out where they put their high bid, and presto won by one cent over their maximum bid!
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metalman...sure I can. I can't make people bid and I can make them pay a decent price. Its not shilling if its not my auction.
Yea, it is my opinion as to what the coin is worth. If you think its more, bid higher.
Make you own decision!?. Are you kidding me!. Its always the second highest bidder who decides what you're ultimatly gonna pay!. NOT YOU!.
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Ya thats right ,,it is the second highest serious bidder who sets the final price ,, unless they never reach my max bid then its me who sets the value somewhere between opening bid and my max bid .
But thats a digression of the conversation ,, the point is that you bid not as a serious bidder who's goal is to own the coin ,,its to force your opinion of value onto the other bidder and in doing so the intent is to drive the price up without intending to purchase the coin ,, and that is the definition of shill bidding no matter who's auction it occurs in .
Unless you can show me where you are doing a service to anyone other than the seller there is no need to continue this ?
Metalman
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(said with my arm around him)"its ok there metalman, e-bay is a big, big world and there are many deals to be had" (gives an arm chuck and a scruff on the head)"chin up buddy, tomorrows another day and I'm rootin' for ya!."
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 I tried ! |
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There are lots of "games" people play. Sniping, shill bidding, cherry picking.
Nothing wrong with sniping as it can be done with software available to anyone and besides, only actual buyers use sniping programs, not someone trying to drive up prices. Cherrypicking is not a game, it is something that is done when one becomes particularly knowledgeable about a coin series, more so than the average collector. It takes a lot of reading, image viewing, and research to be a good cherrypicker and is not something someone can learn to do overnight. Shilling is absolutely despicable when a seller is involved but it is almost as bad when a totally unrelated person comes along madly bidding on things which they don't really care to win just for the purpose of increasing the price- that is the basic definition of shill bidding whether you are in collusion with a seller or not. quote:
(said with my arm around him)"its ok there metalman, e-bay is a big, big world and there are many deals to be had" (gives an arm chuck and a scruff on the head)"chin up buddy, tomorrows another day and I'm rootin' for ya!."
Your condescending attitude doesn't help your case either... |
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Well, I really am intrigued by this discussion, so I decided to take the ebay tutorial on shill bidding. I recommend everyone do so before continuing comments. Maybe I just don't understand what the problem is. |
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United States
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Why is he not a serious bidder? He places a bid, if he wins, he buys it. Its not like he ducks out and doesn't pay for it when he wins it. The other person has placed a higher bid and is willing to pay that much. If they didn't want to pay so much, they shouldn't have placed such a high bid. If he wins it, then he's happy that he got a coin for less than he thought it was worth. Isn't that serious - to be happy you one a coin?
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Wow, a second tread getting testy tonight. Man, it must be a full moon or something. I'm heading to bed. See you guys tomorrow when the sun is up.  Jim |
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I started bidding on coins trying NOT to win but to see how close I can get to the winning bid. Trying to be the second highest bidder
This statement of his intentions is what makes Him not a serious bidder . Its all about the intentions of his bids ,,they are not to win the coin ,just drive the price up for the winner . and that has been the jest of my posts in this thread ,, its all about the intentions ,, IMHO they do no service to make ebay a safer place to buy coins ,, and do no service to the collecting community as a whole The game will not increase the value of anyones collections nor will it impact the sale prices of any particular series .,, Please note that is just my opinion and others are welcome to their own opinions on this game . |
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Posted 11/11/2007 5:37 pm
