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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great point Caesar. If the seller is unwilling to identify his coin, he hasn't put much effort in authenticating his wares and his inventory should be viewed as suspect.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Quote:Caveat Emptor. I concede every reputable seller has made mistakes, even sold fakes. However, ebay is ripe for this corruption, and as you have learned 100 percent feed backs are not relevant in regards to authenticity. I am curious, did this auction listing even have a relevant RIC number? ID? I know far less than most of my esteemed fellow members, but I know to match the RIC with Wildwinds or some other relevant source. I refuse to buy a coin from someone not putting an ID with coin. I always harp on RIC or relevant ID for a reason. This is why, especially for newer collectors like me who do not have the eye to spot a fake as easily as some other more experienced members. The auction did not list a RIC number. I bid on it when there was only a half hour or so left on the auction, but I did do a bit of research and it looks like it is RIC 256 http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/julia_maesa/t.html |
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
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About the dies...
The coin is made from cast fake dies, The obverse die was carefully finished to eliminate fue cast bubbles and to improve the details like the hair. It´s logical, the first thing that you see in a coin is the portrait, the reverse is secundary...
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Valued Member
United States
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The RIC 256 in wildwinds certainly has some resemblance. However, the coin Mrkramer acquired has a masculine reverse figure, which does not resemble the feminine Juno in authenticate coins. This alleged fake does match the Obverse and Reverse legends, which is surprising. The coin looks off, albeit like other memories I cannot explain exactly why. Smoothness? Lack of detail? Clean? Odd I know. The forger did not put the detail into the goddess Juno that a Roman would have, which is the tell tale sign for me.
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
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I have seen using a reverse type of another coin to struck the fake...
Some forgers are better mechanics than historicians so sometimes the letters fonts doesn´t match on obverse and reverse...
...just like in this "coin"; see the differences between obverse and reverse, The "I" and the "V" are slighty different.
Sometimes fakers do this to produce more "valuable" coins because "...This coin is not listed at any reference work!"
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04/22/2015 7:14 pm
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Valued Member
United States
72 Posts |
Well I heard back from the seller and it sounds like he is willing to cancel the sale. It was too long after the auction's end for me to be able to initiate it, but I sent him a link from ebay showing how the seller can cancel it. So hopefully that happens. Probably how he keeps his 100% feedback since if the transaction is canceled there isn't feedback as far as I know. |
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Valued Member
United States
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And for one final post in this thread, the seller went ahead and canceled the transaction and I got an email from paypal saying that the money was refunded.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Valued Member
United States
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who is seller? will he put coin back up? since he is on list, who is it?
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Valued Member
United States
72 Posts |
This is the seller. http://www.ebay.com/usr/maro.eli?_t....m2748.l2754Unfortunately he probably will put it back up. I'm not sure if there is much that can be done to get him off of ebay considering he canceled the sale so I never had the coin in my hand to confirm that it is actually fake. |
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
629 Posts |
At least you have saved your money...
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Valued Member
United States
356 Posts |
Of relevant note, I am currently involved in a Superior Court case to bring ebay to task for their complicity in the sale of fake coins on their site. Furthermore I filed a formal complaint with the California Attorney General requesting they investigate. I won two cases so far against ebay. They are benefiting from fraud. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would, in theory, have some sympathy for ebay since they are an a mediator and really can't be asked to validate every single piece that gets put on there. However, when multiple respected people call out a certain vendor on there for constantly selling fake coins and they do nothing about it any sympathy I would have vanishes. Maybe it will take them going to court a few times to start cleaning house on the notorious fake sellers. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Chuy1530, please save your sympathy for the ignorant buyers, who trust to buyer protection and then are betrayed by ebay often. I stood in a courtroom and watched ebay lawyers lie through their teeth, indeed deny they even offer buyer protection. Further, claiming they were merely a middle man, indeed more of a transfer service like Western Union. In reality, and the court upheld this, they are more like an escrow company and have duties of similar fashion. I further, watched as they denied even receiving evidence of fraud from one of their sellers, a seller who generated 30,000 in fees for them last year as they turned a blind eye to fakes. Look no further then Saxby Coins. Regardless, the courts upheld that they do have a duty to back and guarantee every single item they sell. ebay is an accessory before and after the fact of fraud on a daily basis; they benefit enormously. I have also caught the ear of the Federal government and have sent my data to them, hoping for a RICO case against them. Do I want them out of business, no, but I want the people responsible for turning a blind eye to fraud gone from the company and a new management team installed that actually begins to hunt down fraud and shut down the accounts that are associated with it. In the end, regardless I have my money back, but I want to insure others do not suffer as I did. |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Quote:Chuy1530, please save your sympathy for the ignorant buyers, who trust to buyer protection and then are betrayed by ebay often. I stood in a courtroom and watched ebay lawyers lie through their teeth, indeed deny they even offer buyer protection. Further, claiming they were merely a middle man, indeed more of a transfer service like Western Union. In reality, and the court upheld this, they are more like an escrow company and have duties of similar fashion. I further, watched as they denied even receiving evidence of fraud from one of their sellers, a seller who generated 30,000 in fees for them last year as they turned a blind eye to fakes. Look no further then Saxby Coins. Regardless, the courts upheld that they do have a duty to back and guarantee every single item they sell. ebay is an accessory before and after the fact of fraud on a daily basis; they benefit enormously. I have also caught the ear of the Federal government and have sent my data to them, hoping for a RICO case against them. Do I want them out of business, no, but I want the people responsible for turning a blind eye to fraud gone from the company and a new management team installed that actually begins to hunt down fraud and shut down the accounts that are associated with it. In the end, regardless I have my money back, but I want to insure others do not suffer as I did. I personally only use ebay for free advertising now. However ..... there are some excellent sellers on ebay, all you need do is post a coin here that you are considering and the seller and you will soon get a thumbs up or down. On the OP, might be worth you buying a few cheap fake coins so you can feel them and examine them. You might want to buy yourself a set of scales as well. You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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