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1877-S Trade Dollar Chopped

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1877-S-Trade-Dollar-Chopped
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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This may be changing now that PCGS no longer considers chop marks a details grade, but a full grade descriptor, and has, in fact, created Chop Marks registry sets.


I have some mixed feelings about this. I have always loved chop marks as they confirm that the coin traveled to the Far East, and adds to the provenance of the coin when it was used in commerce. However, eventually certain chop marks will come to be more desirable than others and invariably those will be faked to enhance value. Whereas previously the chops didn't add value, and therefore there was no financial incentive to chop them, that situation seems likely to reverse. PCGS, through this change may be causing many original Trade dollar specimens to be defaced with fake chop marks.

The law of unintended consequences is always at work.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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I have some mixed feelings about this. I have always loved chop marks as they confirm that the coin traveled to the Far East, and adds to the provenance of the coin when it was used in commerce. However, eventually certain chop marks will come to be more desirable than others and invariably those will be faked to enhance value. Whereas previously the chops didn't add value, and therefore there was no financial incentive to chop them, that situation seems likely to reverse. PCGS, through this change may be causing many original Trade dollar specimens to be defaced with fake chop marks.

The law of unintended consequences is always at work.


I wouldn't worry too much. It's still a niche market within a niche market. The vast majority of mainstream collectors still do not consider chop-marked Trade dollars as anything other than defaced coins, albeit ones with an interesting history, much like counterstamps.
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It's not perfect, but I think I was able to capture a much better image of the surface of this coin. Let me know if you have any thoughts. Thanks!

1877-S-Trade-Dollar-Chopped
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Cleaned AU-55 detail. I need one of these for my collection!
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In the spirit of beating a dead horse () for which there appears to be an icon, I received some coins back from a TPG submission so updating some old threads. Thanks for all your help!

1877-S-Trade-Dollar-Chopped
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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Way to go!
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Nice skating on the cleaning!
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I admit that I also didn't think this was going to straight grade. Not crying about it though.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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I didn't even consider a straight grade when I posted!
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