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 Posted 02/25/2017  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel the annual coin sets from the RCM are overpriced. One can get all the coins from rolls. Roll fresh coins look just as good as what you would get from a set.
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I disagree. At least with the 5 coin packs of loonies, the quarter packs, twoonie packs, etc., which cost only face value. These coins appear to be in slightly better condition. As to the full uncirculated sets, I have no idea since I don't have any.
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 Posted 02/25/2017  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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But in reflecting on this article (thanks for posting DBM) it occurs to me that nclt coins would be the most likely source of profitibility going foward as face value of the coins is, more so than other types, like clt, seperate from the metallic content. Is that right?



The mint began selling $20 face value coins in 2012 (I think I have the year right) and announced it was to be customer acquisition program.

Initially it appears many people incorrectly assumed the coins could be spent anywhere (as CLT) but RCM clarified they indeed it was Non-Circulating Coin and then made informal arrangements with banks, who could chose to redeem them however it was never a legal requirement. Oddly it seems as if RCM was taken by surprise that anyone would ever want to cash the coins.

The reason they're not legal tender is because they're never recirculated. When a bank accepts one for redemption, they ship it directly to RCM for reimbursement. In essence it circulates only once before it's melted. Another reason its not CLT is because face value coin was only sold directly by RCM to customers, not distributed by the Finance Department as with standard circulated coin that RCM mints.

I hope that's helpful.
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 Posted 02/25/2017  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JGG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
US Mint, Swiss, Mongolia, South Africa, Somalia, Great Britain NCLT coins have all held up in price even with the downturn in silver. The RCM jumped the shark by flooding the market and as a consequence they lost their customers and cheapened their brand.
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Our local Post Office doesn't even order coins from the Mint anymore. They have one NASCAR medal sitting there.
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Thanks, JGG. I seem to recall RCM touting the $20 B. Bunny coin as their fastest ever seller! More recently, with the Star Trek etc. FV coins, I heard a radio DJ (FM London. ON, I think) hail these coins as a "no brainer." I was startled to hear this, not because I disagree, but because it seemed to me indicative of 'word getting out,' as it were. Now, I know when I get lots of flashy paper advertising for coins I already bought, in the shipping pack along with said coins, that RCM is not being overly clever with their ad budget. IRK! However, the radio spot was, I feel, likely unsponsored and so qualifies as word of mouth or testimony advertising. Sorry the program is kaput.
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Now I can't throw away those stupid ads, for fear they'll become as treasured one day as my old Estes rocket model cat's, that I used to spend days drooling over and months saving up for, had I not thrown them all away. (insert cry for help here)
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Well, perhaps this might be the catalyst for RCM to take a back to basics approach? And here I assumed that all was well at the RCM (without reading their financials of course) based on the sheer volume of products they have been releasing. I figured somebody out there has to be gobbling up the excessive offerings up, otherwise why would they keep it coming?
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US Mint, Swiss, Mongolia, South Africa, Somalia, Great Britain NCLT coins have all held up in price even with the downturn in silver. The RCM jumped the shark by flooding the market and as a consequence they lost their customers and cheapened their brand.


Other Mints are just as bad. When it comes to NCLT or any collectible, how can anything mass produced be worth much in the long run? When things are made in the thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, they are no longer a rarity.

Take example the US Mint, they don't have the many diverse products like the RCM. They only have dead politicians historical related coins. They have none of the commercial related coins like Superman, Looney Tunes, or Star Trek. But the US Mint coins have huge mintages or unlimited mintage like this coin.

https://catalog.usmint.gov/native-a...oins#start=1

The RCM have low mintages compared to the US Mint. Mintages like 500, 1500, 2000, 4000, or 5000.
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IMO, comparing the mintage figures of US Mint collector coins with those of the RCM is essentially useless if you are trying to make any statement regarding marketplace value.

The US collector coin market is larger than the Canadian market by an order of magnitude. It would make little sense for the USM to produce coins with mintage figures similar to the RCM. The USM has produced a few low mintage platinum coins over the years, but otherwise produces coins in larger numbers to meet collector demand (sometimes at the direction of the US Congress).

I'm not arguing that all (or even most) US coins increase in value - there are far too many examples of this not being true - but suggesting that Canadian collector coins are a better "value" due to their lower mintages is just not a tenable position.



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If lower mintage equals more value, and assuming all else remains same, then that's that. Understandably less is more for a lot of people. I'm on the fence about it as accessibility seems to cut both ways, just not simultaneously, and maybe it swings more than once?
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Lower mintage does not necessarily mean increase in value. The gold boreal forest 4 coin series had a mintage of 2500, and they can be bought for less than issue price. 2500 mintage is far less than most other NCLT coins the RCM produces. There are several factors involved, with mintage only being one of them.
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Allowing commissioned coins are the start of the downfall, it allows a private business to over ride good common sense and beat a few good themed coins to oblivion. Low mintage is meaningless if you release 20 units a month, plus the RCM's incredible nonreaction on the counterfeit issue.
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Lower mintages for NCLT coins and lower mintages for circulation coins mean entirely different things.
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When 95% of your customers complain that you are flooding the marketplace with product, and you respond by increasing the amount of product you release, you are effectively destroying your consumer base. Everyone could see this coming years ago.

Hopefully they ditch the silver and gold commems for a few years. Canada 150 is a good note to go out on.
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