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Like Or Dislike This Coin's (Seated Dollar) Eye Appeal?

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Would you guys believe me if I told you this coin is CAC approved? It is and graded au-55.
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.Would you guys believe me if I told you this coin is CAC approved? It is and graded au-55.


Yeah, can't say I agree with it but IMO the coin looks original so maybe that's why it got a cAc.
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Can anyone explain the huge outlines around all the devices? it leads me to believe that the coin is cleaned but know absolutely nothing about this series.
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Can anyone explain the huge outlines around all the devices? it leads me to believe that the coin is cleaned but know absolutely nothing about this series.

A lot of it comes from the environment the coin is stored in as well as how much it's been handled by fingers. On this coin, I agree the eye appeal isn't there but might it be original? With CAC approval, probably, but it has toned in an unattractive way.

This tends to spark the debate about halos around the edges of devices. Some jump to the conclusion that a coin like this has been wiped but in a way that didn't disturb the patina around the edges of the devices. But if you look closely at the fields, you will see that they too are toned-yet more subtly than around the edges of devices. The only way to be certain is to view the coin inhand, which CAC did and came to the conclusion that it's original.
The truth is the edges of the devices will always tone differently than the fields. Whether they are lighter or darker just depends on what environmental conditions they were exposed to. During circulation, more fingers will touch the open fields on Seated dollars due to the sheer size of the coin-essentially cleaning the coin and leaving oils on the fields causing them to tone differently. Which leaves the edges of the devices open to tone more naturally depending on environmental conditions such as humidity and sulfur contend in the air they are exposed to.

I like to use my wholly original 46-o with CAC approval as an example. Notice the rusty coloring around the edges of the devices versus the fields that have toned in a greenish-blue color. Dirty fingers from circulation touching the fields is what caused the difference in toning.
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Would you guys believe me if I told you this coin is CAC approved?


It's not CAC.


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Can anyone explain the huge outlines around all the devices? it leads me to believe that the coin is cleaned but know absolutely nothing about this series.


Yes poor overly lit pictures creating a weird look.

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/35377433

There's the trueview which on this one I would bet is much closer to the real in hand look than those auction pictures
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Baseball: Yes it was CAC approved before the dummy cracked it out in hopes of an upgrade.
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Yeah, can't say I agree with it but IMO the coin looks original so maybe that's why it got a cAc.


It doesn't have one. I dunno if it has ever been sent there or not but it doesn't have a CAC
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Yes it was CAC approved. Some dude cracked it out in hopes of an upgrade, didn't get it, and decided to cut his losses and put it up for auction again.
Judge for yourself if the guy monkeyed with it after he cracked it out. I can't see any difference.

Before crackout: https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...GS-AU-55-CAC

After crackout: https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...r-PCGS-AU-55


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Yes it was CAC approved. Some dude cracked it out in hopes of an upgrade, didn't get it, and decided to cut his losses and put it up for auction again.


He could have done something to it in the meantime when it was raw. Had he sent the old label with the old cert and it was unchanged it would have been restickered. Either that or it wasn't resubmitted for whatever reason.

Unless you can show me it was just regraded or reholdered as a secure and not cracked out old slabs and stickers don't matter once something spent time raw again.

Regardless that is just more proof for what I have been saying, those auction pictures are not what it looks like in hand without a spotlight on it
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Now that 46-o in one beautiful coin!
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Now that 46-o [is] one beautiful coin!


It has much higher eye appeal for me.
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Now that 46-o in one beautiful coin!


And one should note, the picture of my 46-O was taken by none other than Great Collections. And that inhand, it looks exactly like the pictures.
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And one should note, the picture of my 46-O was taken by none other than Great Collections.


Why? Dark coins survive over lighting better that isn't secret. But why is that relevant?

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Baseball, I started a new thread for that debate.

http://goccf.com/t/320215
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Would you guys believe me if I told you this coin is CAC approved? It is and graded au-55.

Yes I could believe it, doesn't matter. They are entitled to their opinion but the only opinion that mattes is the buyers. After all If I was a buyer it's my money not theirs. They could tell me that it is the most beautiful thing they have ever seen, I'm still not impressed and only gave it a 4 in the poll.
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