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 Posted 03/09/2009  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matchbox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dollar1948, I'll keep you in mind. There's a fellow in this forum from Winnipeg that may be able to help me out with my Canadian needs. At the moment I'm only collecting Canadian pennies, quarters and the occasional loonie and twoonie, the latter just commemoratives. However, the more I get into this I may branch out into nickels, dimes and regular loonies and twoonies. I have no interest in 50 cent pieces. I'm trying a go slow approach with this so it's not too expensive right away.

Toronto? I've been there. It's an INCREDIBLE city!

Ken
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 Posted 03/09/2009  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Toronto? Taranna? The Big Smoke? Center of the Universe?

(Funny, but I always thought the Center of the Universe would have a much better snow removal system.)

It's a nice place to buy collectibles, but I...

...well, you know...



"Thumper Rule" again, I guess...
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 Posted 03/10/2009  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have several comments and questions on the '47 pointed/blunt topic.

First, when I first learned of this variety about a year ago, the guy who told me about it seemed very convinced that the 'point' was at the very bottom of the '7'. But the link you guys provided above (a very helpful link in general) AND the discussion here makes me think the guy is wrong. On the other hand, I was pretty sure I had noticed pointier '7's at the bottom of the numeral. I may have been inventing something that wasn't there.

Second, most of us are well aware of why the maple leaf is there. Perhaps the more intricate question is on the origin of the pointed/blunt 7 variety. Is this a die chip, or a different numeral punch? Does anybody know for sure?

Realizing I had been mis-characterizing the variety, I just went through my George VI stash. Of about a dozen '47s, I picked a few that were representative and am attaching what are admittedly low-quality scans (below).

1947-Canadian-Penny

Observations:
1. The '7' in the non-ML variety seems distinctly different.
2. The one on the left is clearly pointed, the one on the right looks blunt (however on closer inspection under a loupe, I am not too sure - there seem to be remnants of a point, hence why I ask whether this is from a die chip)
3. The middle-lower one seems in between - probably pointed if I had to go one way or the other. (PS: I get frustrated by varieties which seem to have a 'grey area' like this. Maybe my loupe sucks or my coins are too low-grade.)
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 Posted 03/10/2009  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry - I forgot a few comments from my recent post.

Rather than a die chip, could it be possible that some '47 MLs were minted with the '7' of the non-ML variety? My plain '47 looks different from the blunt photo on the "Coins and Canada" site.

Also, I love Toronto too (well, in the summer; winter is too cold and my Leafs are awful these days). The coin selection there is incredible compared to where I live.

Anyway, can anybody (KurtS ?) shed some in-depth light on this peculiar variety? Are there any opinions on my scans (apart from them being bad! )

Thanks!
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 Posted 03/10/2009  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1945V to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Matchbox,

You got a good deal. Normally, that collection of pennies would sell for 50% to 100% more at current ebay prices. Even though many are common pennies, assembling that collection from scratch is a lot of work

I know that seller (betmar2), I have bought many things from him and I recommend him highly. He is very honest and fast shipper.
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03/10/2009 09:33 am
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1945V, thanks for the comment. It's good to know.

WpgLwr, yes Toronto! LOL! It's a beautiful city populated with friendly people. CN Tower, Younge Street, etc, etc. Can't wait to go back again.

And besides, their snow removal system is called "Spring Thaw". hehehe

Ken
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 Posted 03/10/2009  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know, I don't really have a problem with Toronto or most of the people there.

The only thing I don't like is the notion held by many Torontonians that "Northern Ontario" is like, Muskoka, and if you go past that, you could fall off the edge of the world and get eaten by dragons.

I'm originally from near the other end of Yonge Street, otherwise known as "that part of Ontario that doesn't matter to Toronto", that most Torontonians know nothing about; the area that is inefficiently run by the Provincial government in Toronto, that's all. Although we are closer to Winnipeg than to Toronto, we still have to depend on the latter for the little drips and drabs they allow us for things like driveable roads and the like.

But, I digress. As I have said, Toronto is a great place to shop for collectables.

And Winnipeg does have some things in common with Toronto; for example, we don't have a hockey team either...
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 Posted 03/10/2009  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matchbox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WpgLwr, I understand where you're coming from. I know a fellow in Massachusetts who thinks civilization ends West of the Hudson River (New York). I mean, he thinks how on earth can anyone live out there in the middle of nowhere --- like I do.

Ken


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 Posted 03/24/2009  04:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A few observations- on the 50 cents and 1 dollar coins, the pointed/blunt refers to the bottom point of the 7. On the 1 cent, it is the upper right corner that is different.
The picture on the right is clearly a blunt. The right one also looks like the 7 from the plain (no maple leaf) coin, but possibly with some damage to the left of the horizontal part of the 7. The middle 7 (ml) looks like a different 7 from either of the others- look at the space in the corner where the horizontal and vertical strokes join, and the shape of the bottom curve of the 7.
Also, the placement of the maple leafs is different on the 3 coins - the left one is lower than the ones on the right, which still seem slightly different from each other.
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I just noticed the new posts, and I don't really have much to add to what's already discussed.
In the context of '47 cents, I think the pointed/blunt varieties relate to the upper right corner of the 7.
The blunt 7 ML is the scarcer variety, but I've also heard of different positions to the ML mark ("high" and "low" that lines up with the base of the 7.
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 Posted 03/25/2009  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snaz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I too have heard of and seen different locations of the ML's.
Another good on to watch for while we're talking "pointed/blunt" is the 85 pointed/blunt varieties.
Same idea as the 47. Just watch the top of the 5.
I'm not sure who tried to direct you to look at the bottom of the 7, but maybe you should pay them a visit and sort them out.
They might be missing out on some good coins.
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