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1938 LWC Proof For Grading

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 Posted 03/25/2023  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2foxy just an fyi. the chances of finding an impaired proof (circulated proof coin) is very slim. I've been collecting over 50 year and never have seen one however it would be good for knowledge to compare a real proof to this coin.

one of the biggest challenges with those starting in this hobby is learning how to determine if a coin has been cleaned or has PMD (post mint damage). polishing would be considered PMD as the value of the coin is pretty much destroyed for collector value whereas if a coin was cleaned it could still have a premium based on how it was cleaned and how bad it was. these coins would receive what is called a "details" designation.

best advice if you are starting to collect plug in here and go through some of the threads to find comments on a cleaned coin to see what responses are seeing on the coin to determine that. this can take years of looking at coins and even then its a challenge especially when grading from photos
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@2foxy - start by looking at the detail! A proof typically has even sharper features than a business strike, but your example only has the details of a high VF/low EF coin.
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The images on the PCGS website don't show a circulated proof Wheat cent, and there doesn't seem to be any helpful examples via google search either. I'm a bit perplexed, I tried to recreate this polishing result on a business strike, to the best of my ability, and mine was nowhere near as glossy as this coin. The difference is most evident in the hard to reach crevices around the detail areas. I do understand that this coin is not a proof, I'm just amazed at the quality and effort that went into polishing it.
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2foxy- You are getting advice from extremely knowledgeable collectors, to the point where you are taking it for granted.

This is not a proof.
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@NumismaticFTW please read my entire previous comment. I clarified that I understand that this coin is not a proof. And I am very grateful for the expert advice and feedback I receive in this forum which is why I continue to post my questions here. If I had any doubts that this coin was not a proof, I would clearly state it, I certainly wouldn't beat around the bush. I have 100% faith in, and a deep respect for the expertise in this community. Reading comments in their entirety prevents them from being taken out of context.
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Closest thing I can find
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/44539889
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I did read your last comment, I read through the lines.

You agreed but didn't agree, leaving the conversation open to this still possibly being a proof due to lack of online photos and the improbability of polishing the crevices with your at home experiment.

I understand how you feel, I did this when I was just starting out as well, it's hard to accept when you felt certain.
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