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How Can An Object Shaped Like An Apple Be Considered A Coin?

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How am I going to fit that in a 2x2?

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Can someone remind me what the definition of a coin is...

This is a surprisingly difficult thing to nail down. At it's broadest, a coin is "whatever I happen to be pointing at when I say "that's a coin"". Which is, of course, a quite useless definition, and therefore unsatisfactory.

To me, a "coin" is distinguishable from the other two primary numismatic items, "token" and "medal", by the following: a coin must be both {a} issued by a government, and {b} have some sort of legal tender or publicly accepted value for use as a piece of currency. Coins are usually and traditionally made of metal, though this is by no means a hard and fast requirement. The only possible disqualifier for the apple-coin under this definition is that perhaps the government of Cameroon has not in fact assigned legal tender status to these objects, thus assigning them as unofficial coins quasi-coins and thus technically medals (since people are not attempting to use them as money, they cannot be "tokens").

We then come to the matter of distinguishing "coin" from "banknote", which again ought to be obvious but isn't quite as simple as "banknotes are made of paper", since there do exist things that are clearly definable as "coins" and "banknotes" that are made out of plastic, or leather, or numerous similar substances. Banknotes, fundamentally, are "coin substitutes" - things made by a government (or bank) out of a substance that is cheaper and more available than coinage metal, that allow financial transactions to proceed without the need for cumbersome, expensive or difficult-to-obtain coinage.

So this leaves us to ponder the numismatic apple: it's made of metal, issued by a government, and assigned a legal tender face value. The only thing stopping everyone from freely accepting it as a "coin" is the shape. And so far, "shape" has not entered into any of my definitions. Coins are customarily small, flat and round, though all three of those adjectives are optional since "small, flat and round" is the traditional shape for coins simply for the convenience of people having to use coins as money. Coins can be, and have been, made that are lacking some or all of those three adjectives. Swedish plate money is neither small, nor round, nor even particularly flat, yet they are happily accepted by everyone as "coins". I cannot really foresee any working definition of "coin" that allows us to exclude the apple-coin but include things like plate money.

Is the apple-coin gimmicky? You betcha. Is it something every collector of coins from Cameroon needs to obtain to complete their Cameroon coin set? That, dear reader, is where the collector must make up their own mind. For we must, however reluctantly, conclude that the apple-coin is, in fact, a "coin". Personally, I don't want one, but that's simply because of my own criteria for collecting, which includes "if it doesn't fit in a 2x2, I don't really want it". There are plenty of legitimate, used-as-money coins that don't fit in a 2x2, and I'm OK with that.
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Sap, I disagree with that definition. It could have made sense in a better-ordered time. It is unfit today.

This apple shaped thing was issued by some company outside the country it pretends to be a coin from. Used to be businesses in Europe, Germany and some other countries. Perhaps now in Asia. Or one of the old mints that specialized in weird things. Like the Paris mint. The company may have paid some small fee to officials of the government of Cameroon for a law authorizing the item as having those 100 CFA value. It does not matter because the thing could not ever be recognized by anyone as usable as a coin.

These things are not coins. And it is not only the make believe countries like it used to. Like mall islands and ungoverned countries like Somalia. The french and other countries with old mints are doing it. Selling medals as if they were coins.

I think it can no longer be accepted as enough for an object to be called a coin that there is a law authorizing it as having some currency value. Collectors should boycott these things when they are passed as coins. A coin must be usable as a coin. If it could not anywhere, at any time, be generally recognized by the public as a coin it not and was never been a coin.
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If I bought that 'coin', I would be too tempted to hang it on my Christmas tree and pray that the tree would not tip over from the extra weight.
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To my mind a coin is necessarily currency. It has nothing to do with shape. Round, flat discs, even if made of precious metals, are bullion, not coins, unless they are legal tender.
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If I bought that 'coin', I would be too tempted to hang it on my Christmas tree and pray that the tree would not tip over from the extra weight.


If I bought that coin, it would ruin my apple press.

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If I bought that 'coin', I would be too tempted to hang it on my Christmas tree and pray that the tree would not tip over from the extra weight.


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If I bought that coin, it would ruin my apple press.
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If I bought that coin, it would ruin my apple press.

You will get more juice from a turnip than that apple coin..
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You will get more juice from a turnip than that apple coin..
Juice from that apple would be like blood from a turnip.
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I think it can no longer be accepted as enough for an object to be called a coin that there is a law authorizing it as having some currency value. Collectors should boycott these things when they are passed as coins. A coin must be usable as a coin. If it could not anywhere, at any time, be generally recognized by the public as a coin it not and was never been a coin.

Think of it as hipster coinage. Like, have you ever like really thought, what is a coin really, bruh? Like, is any coin really a coin-coin now? Or were they even ever? Mind: blown. Even just, like, your concept of a coin, is like, conceptual.

I do agree with your post, though. A coin that is purely art for art's sake is a medal, even if you attach a denomination to it.
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I think it needs to brought up that the inscription on this 'coin' is circling the .. well bottom end of this thing - talk about being the 'butt' of a joke..
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Here ya go: $200.00 and it is all yours. Get it and send it in to PCGS for grading..
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